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Avatar TLA : Azula's Fate (Finale Spoilers)

While he was more of a straight psychopathic villain, I wish we had gotten to know Ozai better. Like every villain MH voices, he is given to bad bouts of overreach. Joker actually once let Batman go rather than let a plan of Harley's finish him off.

To be precise, he started to let Batman go, then changed his mind and decided, "Why pass up a bird in the hand?" and prepared to shoot him. But that had given Batman enough time to break his bonds and fight back. (In the award-winning Mad Love comic by Dini and Timm, later adapted into an episode of the second series.)


In Ozai's case, he clumsily used the death of his nephew (and did he play a role in that as well, I always wondered?) to try and advance his cause.

Lu Ten died in combat in the Earth Kingdom, so I think it's unlikely there was any foul play involved, beyond the intrinsically foul play of war. It's been suggested to me that Ozai could've hired an assassin, but given that people do kinda have a way of dying in war, I don't see any reason to assume any hidden explanation.

Then there's his apparent decision to completely favor Azula early on. Prodigy or no, you'd think a prince or king would want two strong heirs.

I have a suspicion that Ozai was sexually abusing Azula. Abused children often learn to be very loyal and devoted to their abusers for fear of the consequences of doing otherwise. They also often "grow up fast" as a consequence, and Azula seemed pretty mature for her age. And there was that scene in the third-season premiere -- the same one I quoted in post #10 -- where Azula's body language and tone toward Zuko were almost seductive, suggesting an acquaintance with incestuous behavior. So it's possible that Ozai's reasons for, well, favoring Azula had nothing to do with rational considerations of lineage.

On a deadline to complete what Sozin began, he elevates a dwindling resistance to a supreme priority, elevates himself with an empty title (If the FN ruled all, isn't the FL world ruler anyway?) and pushes aside his true heir, whose presence arguably could have turned both battles in his favor.

Which also sort of fits my theory, because it showed that he didn't really respect Azula for her skill and competence. She was just a means to an end for him.

But yes, I agree, Ozai was a fool to cast her aside. She was a remarkably gifted and cunning warrior, and it was only Ozai's sheer overweening ego that made him think he could do it all himself.
 
Then there's his apparent decision to completely favor Azula early on. Prodigy or no, you'd think a prince or king would want two strong heirs.

*I have a suspicion that Ozai was sexually abusing Azula. Abused children often learn to be very loyal and devoted to their abusers for fear of the consequences of doing otherwise. They also often "grow up fast" as a consequence, and Azula seemed pretty mature for her age. And there was that scene in the third-season premiere -- the same one I quoted in post #10 -- where Azula's body language and tone toward Zuko were almost seductive, suggesting an acquaintance with incestuous behavior. So it's possible that Ozai's reasons for, well, favoring Azula had nothing to do with rational considerations of lineage.*

**There was something kinda-sorta twisty bread about that scene. And if you think further in that direction, a person she sought most to torment and later control was Zuko's main love interest. I wonder-- was she far gone enough to have wanted to control Zuko in that final way? In most respects, he was the only regular boy in her life.**

(EEEEWWW--ICK!):lol:
 
simple and real answer is that the ending was rushed. her descent was just a tad too fast.

as far as katara taking her on, i think, realistically, katara should have been able to wipe the floor with her much faster. i didn't like how katara suddenly was acting like the damsel in distress when, if you really look at the mechanics, she could have taken azula down so much faster. water is everywhere and with her ability to control it in miniscule amounts and even turn it into ice and steam, there are just so many ways she could have tortured azula or toyed with her.... if katara was evil that is. lol
 
In Ozai's case, he clumsily used the death of his nephew (and did he play a role in that as well, I always wondered?) to try and advance his cause.
Lu Ten died in combat in the Earth Kingdom, so I think it's unlikely there was any foul play involved, beyond the intrinsically foul play of war. It's been suggested to me that Ozai could've hired an assassin, but given that people do kinda have a way of dying in war, I don't see any reason to assume any hidden explanation.

Where royal intrude is concerned, one can never be certain. ;)

Then there's his apparent decision to completely favor Azula early on. Prodigy or no, you'd think a prince or king would want two strong heirs.
I have a suspicion that Ozai was sexually abusing Azula. Abused children often learn to be very loyal and devoted to their abusers for fear of the consequences of doing otherwise. They also often "grow up fast" as a consequence, and Azula seemed pretty mature for her age. And there was that scene in the third-season premiere -- the same one I quoted in post #10 -- where Azula's body language and tone toward Zuko were almost seductive, suggesting an acquaintance with incestuous behavior. So it's possible that Ozai's reasons for, well, favoring Azula had nothing to do with rational considerations of lineage.

I don't like that theory for one simple reason (aside from the 'ick' factor) it totally absolves her of all responsibility. I prefer to think that Iroh's assessment of her is the most astute; "she's crazy and she needs to go down." After the lengths he went to trying to get Zuko to unlearn what his brother had instilled in him and from what we've seen of his character in general, I hardly think he'd 1) fail to notice his neice has been abused and 2) neglect her.
Some kids are just born not right in the head. If they happen to be raised in a climate of power and control (with a genetic history full of mudering nutters) then it's hardly surprising you get the odd sociopath. Just pick up a history book, there's no shortage of Emperors, Kings, Queens, Princes and Princesses that have lost the plot.


As for those who think her breakdown was too fast, as I recall her very first appearance showed her to have an obsession with perfection to the point where a single hair out of place sent her into a rage. Then later on Ember island she was clearly not playing with a full deck of cards. Add to that the betrayal from her closest companions - which probably disturbed her more because she didn't see it coming or didn't do it to them first - a sudden abandonment from quite possibly the only person she respects and then give her a whole kingdom full of people she can't trust and a lifetime of repressed madness, paranoia, insecurity and fear...I'm surprised she lasted more than an hour before going completely batshit.

Of course as far as a general compression of events goes, it may be worth remembering the ENTIRE SHOW takes place in less than 12 months. Now that's pushing things.
 
I have a suspicion that Ozai was sexually abusing Azula....

I don't like that theory for one simple reason (aside from the 'ick' factor) it totally absolves her of all responsibility.

Not at all. Responsibility is not so simple as that. We're all shaped by our life experience, for better or worse, and that influences what we become, but we are still ultimately culpable for our own choices and actions. It's the way of the world that victims become victimizers, so you can't draw a clear dividing line between the two. Recognizing that someone wasn't "born evil" but made that way by a traumatic past doesn't absolve them and let them walk away scot-free; it just affords understanding of how evil happens and what we can do to prevent other people from turning out the same way, and possibly to find the key to rehabilitating wrongdoers so they cease to be a threat.

After all, Zuko was overtly abused by his father, though not sexually. He bears the proof of that abuse right there on his face. Indeed, more than half his family was abusive toward him; he was scorned and belittled by his father and tormented by his sister, and his own grandfather wanted to kill him. So he was also shaped by the traumas inflicted on him by his family. But he overcame the damage that did to him and turned away from the darkness. Azula didn't. That's where individual culpability comes in.

I prefer to think that Iroh's assessment of her is the most astute; "she's crazy and she needs to go down." After the lengths he went to trying to get Zuko to unlearn what his brother had instilled in him and from what we've seen of his character in general, I hardly think he'd 1) fail to notice his neice has been abused and 2) neglect her.

When the series starts, Iroh's been away from court for, what, three years? That means Azula would've been 11 the last time he saw her before season 2. And he'd been away at war and lost his own son just three years before that. Even if the abuse started that early, he might've been too caught up in his own grief for a time, and would probably have been pretty marginalized from the royal court, given that he was the rightful heir to the throne and got shoved aside by Ozai. So he may not have had much interaction with Azula as she grew up. Heck, if he had, she would've turned out better, don't you think?

Some kids are just born not right in the head. If they happen to be raised in a climate of power and control (with a genetic history full of mudering nutters) then it's hardly surprising you get the odd sociopath.

Well, sure, but it's a mix of both. Inborn nature is just potential; how it's realized depends on upbringing. A child who's born with a deficiency in the capacity for empathy and social development, if raised in an abusive or neglectful environment, may well turn out cold, uncaring, sociopathic, even homicidal. But if the same child is raised in a loving, nurturing, stimulating environment, it will cancel out that deficiency, in the same way that an intrinsic physical weakness can be compensated for by vigorous exercise and training. Stimulation promotes development, neglect promotes atrophy. Heredity and environment must both be taken into account.

As for those who think her breakdown was too fast, as I recall her very first appearance showed her to have an obsession with perfection to the point where a single hair out of place sent her into a rage.

Well, technically her first appearance is in the opening titles of the pilot episode; she's the firebender demonstrating "Fire" in the opening shots. And her first in-show appearance was a brief cameo at the end of the first-season finale. But that's, uh, splitting hairs. ;) You're referring to a scene in the season-2 opener:
(Cut to Azula's battle ship and her lightning bending practice. The sun is setting in the background. Azula stands on the deck and brings her arms down in front of her. Cut to two old women watching from the top of the stairs.)

(Azula swings an arm around, electricity sparking from her left hand. She brings it around in a circle, then begins to mimic the motion with her right hand, electricity shooting from her index and middle fingers. She brings her fingers together, and then lunges forward, launching a lightning bolt from her left hand. The lightning arcs over the edge of the ship. Cut to in front of Azula, her fingers smoking and a single strand of hair dangling in front of her face. Cut to the old women on the stairs.)


Elder 1: Almost perfect.

Elder 2: One hair out of place.

(Cut to the same scene of Azula. The camera zooms in quickly as Azula glares angrily at the one strand of hair. She wipes it from her eyes.)

Azula: 'Almost' isn't good enough!

(She begins the training again and shoots lightning at the camera.)
http://www.avatarspiritmedia.net/transcripts.php?ep=201

I saw that as simply the perfectionism of a determined martial artist and warrior, someone who drove herself to be the absolute best. It showed vanity and an uncompromising nature, but also determination and relentless self-discipline. I don't think it showed her going into a rage just because of a single hair. But I'll agree it showed she was tightly wound. Someone with such unrelenting standards of perfection would plausibly have trouble dealing with it when things started to unravel.

Then later on Ember island she was clearly not playing with a full deck of cards.

I'll grant that. I didn't care for her portrayal there because it seemed out of character to me; I saw her as this very smart, canny, rational character, and it seemed to diminish her to have her act like she did on Ember Island. But thinking about it in context now, I suppose it was more a case of foreshadowing, exposing the instability that lay beneath her tightly controlled surface. I guess it's when she's outside her safety zone that her poise slips. Maybe she's sort of a hothouse flower, in an odd sense -- she's always lived within this safe cushion, surrounded by people who gave her everything she wanted, and so she never learned how to function well outside of that. Sure, she managed pretty well following the gAang with just Mai and Ty Lee along with her, but they both obeyed her wishes and kept that same sort of comfort zone around her.

Still, it disappoints me to have to redefine Azula that way in my mind. I was so impressed by her as a truly smart, capable, rational villain without the usual self-defeating villain hangups or Evil Overlord tendencies. And I kind of had a crush on her too, since ultra-competent women excite me. (What? I thought she was older. Plus, she's a cartoon.)

Of course as far as a general compression of events goes, it may be worth remembering the ENTIRE SHOW takes place in less than 12 months. Now that's pushing things.

Yep. The winter solstice is a third of the way into the first season, and Sozin's Comet comes at "summer's end," which would be the autumnal equinox. So assuming their years are the same as ours, that's 9 months plus however long the first 6 episodes took.
 
I forgot that she is only 14, that all these characters are only kids... will they be that old in the live action movie?
 
Just one more reason why it's a bad idea to do these in live action at all. They should've just given a feature budget to the people who made the show. They managed to achieve nearly feature quality on a TV budget and schedule, so I'm dying to see what wonders they could achieve with an animated feature film.
 
You mean other than have MNS directing it? Not that I dislike the bloke but nothing he's done so far makes me think he can do fast paced, high-octane martial arts, broad comedy AND compelling drama.
 
Oh, I agree completely. Even if I didn't think that Shyamalan hasn't made a good movie since Unbreakable, I'd still find his style to be a complete and profound mismatch for Avatar.
 
I can't believe that despite the fact of all the factors above mentioned... they have already signed on to make not one but THREE movies...
 
Everything's trilogies and franchises these days in the movies, especially where kid-friendly fantasy properties are concerned. Every studio wants to find the next Harry Potter or the next Lord of the Rings.

And Avatar, if done right, could be a fine mix of both of those. I just don't see Shyamalan pulling it off. Maybe Sam Raimi or Guillermo Del Toro, but not Shyamalan.
 
Well keep in mind "signed on" is not the same as "committed to". More likely the sequels are an option if they first film is successful. If memory serves both the Riddick film and the Golden Compass were each "signed on" for a trilogy, but since the first movies didn't perform so well, the sequels were put on the back burner.

As for why they chose Shyamala; I gather he was the first big name to call and they would have been very stupid (or very brave) to turn down an Oscar nominated director.
 
I'm gonna take a chance and say MNS might be the right one for this. All the 'twists' are laid out, and the overall story does derive from the cultures in his native part of the world. His own POV won't have the play it does in films he himself puts together out of whole cloth.

And I hope that, if the series is successful, we finally see some female action figures, and maybe an Appa with fur. Maybe we'll even get lucky and have some of those movie/cartoon two packs of the same character in different versions, ala the X-Men.

My brother wondered why they ditched Sokka's sword in the finale. My only guess was, it was a kind of superpower for a character who was premised on not having (and not needing) any, so maybe the writers felt it was a bad fit. At least they didn't take his eye or something.
 
I'm gonna take a chance and say MNS might be the right one for this. All the 'twists' are laid out, and the overall story does derive from the cultures in his native part of the world.

Well, not really. His native part of the world is India, a culture that was only briefly glimpsed in the Av-verse (in Guru Nanak). A:TLA was mostly based on Chinese, Japanese, Tibetan, and Inuit cultures. That's kind of like counting Brazil, Nunavut, and Italy as being from my native part of the world. ;)

His own POV won't have the play it does in films he himself puts together out of whole cloth.

But what about his sense of pacing, his underplaying of emotion? He'd have to master a completely different style of storytelling, one that's virtually a diametric opposite to everything that defines him as a filmmaker.

And I hope that, if the series is successful, we finally see some female action figures, and maybe an Appa with fur. Maybe we'll even get lucky and have some of those movie/cartoon two packs of the same character in different versions, ala the X-Men.

If Mattel is stupid and sexist enough not to include female action figures on a show where virtually all the most kickass action characters are women, then I don't think having those women in live-action would pierce their stupidity.

My brother wondered why they ditched Sokka's sword in the finale. My only guess was, it was a kind of superpower for a character who was premised on not having (and not needing) any, so maybe the writers felt it was a bad fit. At least they didn't take his eye or something.

I think the sword was a sort of a crutch for him. His real weapons were his intelligence and leadership skills.
 
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