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Any Fans of "The Paradise Syndrome"

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While I recognize that this is a somewhat unusual episode, I have always been a fan of "The Paradise Syndrome." I know this is not everyone's favorite and some feel it is downright silly. To me, there are lots of good things in this one. There are some very interesting sci-fi concepts (the preservers, the asteroid deflector), a cool set (both the interior and exterior of the obelisk), several very good McCoy/Spock scenes, and IMHO an exceptionally well done finale (from the stoning to Miramanee's death scene) with a great musical score. The music during Miramanee's death is especially sad, very well done. Also, this episode is unusual in that much of it is filmed in natural light, giving it a different look than most TOS eps.

Do people out there like this one or hate it? My best friend, who is also a huge fan, cringes at this one so I thought I would see what others thought.
 
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It does look great, but yeah, put me in the "hater" category. I honestly think it's an embarrassment. Since you like it so much, Trek, I won't call it all the adjectives that come to mind, but a couple of them would be "melodramatic" and "sappy."
 
It's not horrible, and I do like Miramanee and several of the elements you describe, Trekwatcher. However, two things really irk me about it. The first is the lack of any consequences or memory of these events in later episodes. Kirk is married and has a child. Even if he wasn't quite himself, he used to be Kirok, and that has to have some effect on a person. The other bother is just how goofy Kirk looks and acts as one of the natives. I'm not sure what they were going for, but the end result comes across as ludicrous.
 
^ I thought about mentioning the goofiness factor too, but it's been a while since I've seen the episode, and I didn't want to misspeak.

As a side note, Kirk falling deeply in love and then forgetting about it by the time the planet has disappeared from the view screen is one of the things that drove and still drives me crazy about TOS - they did that all the time and with several different characters, too. TNG did it with Riker, of course (and others as well, but not quite as consistently), and that peeved the heck out of me, too.
 
It's one of my favorites. It put the characters in very unusual situations: Kirk living the simple life he'd always fantasized about and getting married, Spock as the brooding commander of the Enterprise. It had a fantastic Gerald Fried score, probably my favorite of his TOS scores. It had the lovely Sabrina Scharf as Miramanee.

If there's one thing I regret about the episode, it's the fact that it introduced the Preservers into Trek lore and established so little about them. Because of that lack of information, the fans have inflated the Preservers into these ridiculously ancient beings of godlike power, and various works of tie-in or fan fiction have confused the Preservers with the 4-billion-year-old First Humanoids from TNG's "The Chase" or credited them with creating everything from the galactic barrier to the Doomsday Machine. But all we know about them from the episode is: they existed as recently as a few hundred years ago, making them modern rather than ancient; they relocated endangered populations, something requiring no technology more advanced than starships; and they were so monumentally inept that they thought it would be a good idea to "protect" an endangered Native American tribe by sticking them in the middle of an asteroid swarm and giving them a single deflector beam that only one person per generation knew how to operate. (Among all the other problems with that, what if the asteroid came in on the opposite side of the planet?) The whole Preserver mythos has been inflated far beyond all reason and evidence. The episode isn't at fault for that, though, except by omission. Leave something blank and people will tend to fill it in with the most extravagant thing they can imagine.

The science is also quite wonky, though that's par for the course. If the Enterprise had two months to divert that asteroid, all they had to do was have a shuttlecraft thrust it sideways for a few hours every day to change its course enough to hit the planet. Or they could've erected a solar sail or spray-painted one face of it white and used light pressure to alter its velocity/trajectory. Heck, just the mass of the Enterprise coasting alongside it for two months would've altered its trajectory gravitationally and it probably would've missed anyway. But I doubt these kinds of deflection strategies had been devised in 1968, though the physics is elementary.

As for the lack of consequences or followup Smiley mentioned, that was par for the course in '60s and '70s television. Many shows had episodes where the heroes fell in love or got married and their lovers died or otherwise went away by the end of the episode, and then those events were never mentioned again. Besides, it's not like the Tarsus IV massacre, the death of Edith Keeler, the death of Sam, or any other defining moments in Jim Kirk's life were ever referenced beyond one episode each. It's not a TOS thing, it's just the way television was written then. Networks wanted to be able to show episodes in any sequence, so continuity was discouraged. Also, the classiest shows in '50s and early '60s TV were anthologies, while continuity was more the province of cheesy soap operas. So even dramas with continuing characters tended to take an anthology approach, rarely or never referencing past events.
 
I loved the Spock/McCoy Dynamic of the show, but not really a fan of the Kirok/Kirk angle in the film. I even remember as a kid not really getting into the show because all I wanted was for Kirk to remember who he was and get on with saving the planet.

I am in no way a hater, it is just not one of my favorites.

Vons
 
"The Paradise Syndrome" was a 1960's TV experiment that produced mixed results.

Yes, it looked weird then and ever since. But I doubt you could do any better with a "castaway" ep like that unless you either made it into a mini-series or otherwise semi-serialized the show to make it into a story arc. The characters and the story seem cheesey/cardboard because there's so much going on there that there isn't time to do justice to all the ingredients.

How did Spock know so much about the natives? Did a Federation expedition visit this planet previously? And how did Spock learn to master the Obelisk ciphers? And how did he learn so much about the Preservers? And what became of them? What did the Federation do once the Preservers were discovered? You can't cover any of this in a single-hour ep, so the whole thing looks shallow. Using the "Yonada" asteroid repeatedly in TOS Year 3 didn't help matters.

All that having been said, I always enjoyed this ep. I live not far from an indian reservation, and I have always enjoyed visiting there. The sweeping outdoor vistas shown in this ep, and the obelisk make it stand out from other TOS stories. The show's teaser was wonderful. Count me as a fan.
 
I am a fan of this episode. I always had the impression that it was free ing for Kirk to "settle down" and Shatner played this part more tenderly. He's not a "ladies man" in this episode - doesn't "devour" in his kisses. I liked that - label me romantic or whatever - that's OK.

Another thought - I always had a fascination with the line thrown against Kirok by his adversary (whose name escapes me at the moment) - "Behold the god who bleeds!"
 
Funny you should ask, as I just happened to rewatch this one last night.

I had really disliked it in the past. But last night, I got to thinking, what a shame, it had so many things going for it:

High production values: location shooting, expensive set (the Obelisk), decent opticals (the asteroid)....

Good and different concept: a long length of time (months); Kirk off one way with Spock, McCoy off the other, pregnancy....

But what I think torpedoes this episode was the 3rd Season writer/producers (Freiberger/Singer) who took Armen's girlie but good script and dumbed it down to the Salish level. Behold, a God who bleeds!

I don't think Fontana or Coon or even Roddenberry would have bled the script to that level.

This episode, to me, was the beginning of the end. A good concept (obviously sourced back when the good people were in charge) then made stupid by Freddie's idea of what Star Trek should be, Roddenberry's absence, Nimoy's ascendance into "Spock the asshole-I-should-be-the-star" and the probable realization that there were only 20 or so to go.

Sad, really.
 
Definitely did not like this.

I think part of the reason is the music. The same treacly music that is played in This Side of Paradise too.

TOS didn't do romance well. At least not for me.
 
I love this episode. It's always been a favourite of mine. I love a good bit of heartbreak in my tv. Maybe I even learned that from this episode, since I probably saw it first as a kid.
 
If this one was filmed in Season 1 or 2, we'd all be hailing it as a classic.

Of of the most underrated of the series.
 
"The Paradise Syndrome" music included nothing from "This Side of Paradise," contrary to what an earlier commenter suggested. Nor do I think any themes introduced here were used in the rest of season 3 - perhaps I'm mistaken on that.

I liked the episode when I first saw it at age 12 (first run), but in reruns Sabrina Scharf's line readings began to grate on me (e.g., "I bear your child"; "I have nothing to fear. You are here"). Sorry, Sabrina, I don't think you got the part on the basis of acting ability. Of course it would be difficult even for a Diana Muldaur to do much with dialogue like that!

I always did like, however, the fact that the episode spanned two months of elapsed time; in that respect it's quite unlike any other original-series episode. (I don't even mind very much the unbelievable coincidence that "Kirk to Enterprise" struck the right combination of pitches - no worse than the Jackson Roykirk coincidence in "The Changeling.")

Was this the last time they filmed outdoors? Might be...
 
If this one was filmed in Season 1 or 2, we'd all be hailing it as a classic.

Of of the most underrated of the series.

I wouldn't. I didn't even look up when it ran before I commented, and I did not remember what season it was in. So my poor opinion of it is based on my recollection of the episode, not external factors. I just think it's very, very, very bad.
 
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"The Paradise Syndrome" music included nothing from "This Side of Paradise," contrary to what an earlier commenter suggested.

Correct. T'Bonz must be thinking of the "Shore Leave" cues, also by Gerald Fried, that were heavily recycled in "This Side of Paradise" (an episode with no original music of its own). The style is similar since the composer is the same, but since "Paradise Syndrome" was one of the earliest episodes of the season, it featured a wholly original score. (They only had the budget to score a certain number of episodes per season, so they'd commission mostly or entirely original scores in the early episodes in order to build a library of stock cues to recycle through the rest of the season.)

Nor do I think any themes introduced here were used in the rest of season 3 - perhaps I'm mistaken on that.

I believe a few of its cues were recycled occasionally, but not many and not the most thematically distinctive ones.

I liked the episode when I first saw it at age 12 (first run), but in reruns Sabrina Scharf's line readings began to grate on me (e.g., "I bear your child"; "I have nothing to fear. You are here"). Sorry, Sabrina, I don't think you got the part on the basis of acting ability.

To be fair, because of the location shooting, a lot of her lines were probably dubbed over in post-production. Looped dialogue often sounds more awkward than normal dialogue, since the performer has to concentrate more on matching the lip-sync and that can distract them from putting emotion into the performance.


Was this the last time they filmed outdoors? Might be...

Sadly, yes. After this it was nothing but papier-mache soundstage planets.
 
I found myself enjoying this episode quite a lot. My biggest problem was McCoy's inability to save Miramanee at the end. I mean, he's treated way worse, it seems to me.
 
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