Alien languages in trek

[IAmAParrot]

I've noticed literally all alien "languages" in trek (I'm talking mostly tng/ds9/voy/ent), the alien languages sound thr same and so fake.
Aside from klingon, which was created by a linguist and sounds unique, other languages especially from random alien species sound alike.
They all are phonetic. What I mean is, the words are short, everyone speaks the language as if it's English with an English dialect but just random words, and the words all follow the pattern of consonant, vowel, consonant, sometimes broken by the letter n.

Example: "Ula banaran Mafa kasaka".

And while Japanese is (MOSTLY) this way (and Korean a bit too) the way the Japanese speak it sounds very distinct and nothing like trek languages at all. But in trek, it just sounds so fake and awkward. Words are so short, everyone speaks it without any difficult sounds. Obviously I know it's difficult for the writers to make up languages and probably only English speaking actors to pronounce complicated words. But still.

This is way more apparent in enterprise. Literally every language Hoshi speaks sounds exactly alike. It's a really childish interpretation of alien languages. Do the writers think this is how people in different countries speak, much less alien world's? If they speak at all. Don't even get me started on why all the advanced form of life in trek universe are mammal humanoids. Or thr fact they have only reptiles fish birds and mammals on every planet, how there are some planets with only trees and flowers yet no animal life to make the evolution of those species possible. Or how gravity on asteroids is earth like lol, or that asteroids have oxygen lol. But Yea

 

[Finn]

I've noticed literally all alien "languages" in trek (I'm talking mostly tng/ds9/voy/ent), the alien languages sound thr same and so fake.
Aside from klingon, which was created by a linguist and sounds unique, other languages especially from random alien species sound alike.
They all are phonetic. What I mean is, the words are short, everyone speaks the language as if it's English with an English dialect but just random words, and the words all follow the pattern of consonant, vowel, consonant, sometimes broken by the letter n.

Example: "Ula banaran Mafa kasaka".

And while Japanese is (MOSTLY) this way (and Korean a bit too) the way the Japanese speak it sounds very distinct and nothing like trek languages at all. But in trek, it just sounds so fake and awkward. Words are so short, everyone speaks it without any difficult sounds. Obviously I know it's difficult for the writers to make up languages and probably only English speaking actors to pronounce complicated words. But still.

This is way more apparent in enterprise. Literally every language Hoshi speaks sounds exactly alike. It's a really childish interpretation of alien languages. Do the writers think this is how people in different countries speak, much less alien world's? If they speak at all.

I can't comment on this.

Don't even get me started on why all the advanced form of life in trek universe are mammal humanoids

Says who?

Or thr fact they have only reptiles fish birds and mammals on every planet

When? Where?

how there are some planets with only trees and flowers yet no animal life to make the evolution of those species possible

Again...when and where??

Or how gravity on asteroids is earth like lol, or that asteroids have oxygen lol. But Yea

When did we see an asteroid, that wasn't artificial and/or had habitats/outposts built on or in it, with Earth-like gravity, and with oxygen?

 

[IAmAParrot]

I can't comment on this.



Says who?


When? Where?


Again...when and where??



When did we see an asteroid, that wasn't artificial and/or had habitats/outposts built on or in it, with Earth-like gravity, and with oxygen?

Maybe watch more trek and you'll notice the similar sounding languages.

I should have said most life forms. Think about it. Cardassians, klingons, bajorans, Vulcan, romulan, betazoid, ocampa, talax, and the list goes on and on, are all a bunch of human looking mammalian species who have mammalian genitals and or mammalian birthing and reproductive process and perhaps even produce milk. That's mammalian. I know it was explained in the episode "the chase" but still. In a real universe, this wouldn't make sense at all.

Xindi had reptilian and insectoid "humanoids". A planet 70,000 years away in the delta quadrant had a hawk like looking hawk, that for some reason sounded exactly like the American red tailed kite.

I forgot which episodes but a few had world's with abundant plant life yet supposedly zero animal life

In voyagers emanations, a beautiful episode btw, they land on an asteroid with normal gravity and with oxygen.

 

[LAFR]

Fight! Fight! Fight!

 

[Finn]

Fight! Fight! Fight!

Maybe watch more trek and you'll notice the similar sounding languages.

I should have said most life forms. Think about it. Cardassians, klingons, bajorans, Vulcan, romulan, betazoid, ocampa, talax, and the list goes on and on, are all a bunch of human looking mammalian species who have mammalian genitals and or mammalian birthing and reproductive process and perhaps even produce milk. That's mammalian. I know it was explained in the episode "the chase" but still. In a real universe, this wouldn't make sense at all.

You are still not citing "most life forms".

Xindi had reptilian and insectoid "humanoids".

Whut?

A planet 70,000 years away in the delta quadrant had a hawk like looking hawk, that for some reason sounded exactly like the American red tailed kite.

Are you talking about the episode where Chakotay met the aliens who met the first humans crossing the Bering Strait millennia ago...? I'd say it was intentional....to suggest some kind of mystical connection.

I forgot which episodes but a few had world's with abundant plant life yet supposedly zero animal life

You are taking this too seriously. I wouldn't take whatever the characters say too literally when they describe the planet they are visiting...even Spock.

In voyagers emanations, a beautiful episode btw, they land on an asteroid with normal gravity and with oxygen.

I'd give you this one.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Whut?

Somewhat depends on your definition of "humanoid" I suppose, but they definitely had two arms, two legs and a single head and walked upright so roughly fit that definition (certainly they're far more humanoid than say... TrekLit's Giant Pill Bug-esque Pak'shree or Lamp-like Syrath... or for that matter Murf the Slime Worm from Prodigy or the Horta.

 

[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

First of all, Take Hoshi's name out of your DAMN MOUTH!!!!!
Second...did you ever watched "Think Tank"?

 

[Finn]

Okay, this is weird.

 

[fireproof78]

In a real universe, this wouldn't make sense at all.

Yes, this is the line where it doesn't make sense...

 

[at Quark's]

Well, there's that L-class planet Quark and Odo crash-land on in the ascent that has nothing but trees. At least, according to Odo:

QUARK: I can't believe it. I've been walking for three days and I haven't seen a single beetle. I could really go for a beetle right now. Any kind of beetle, just as long as it had a little meat on it.
ODO: There are no beetles, Quark.
QUARK: A nice slug would do.
ODO: There're no slugs, either. No slugs, no beetles, no worms, no snails. Nothing but rocks and trees and we can't eat any of it.

 

[Finn]

Well, there's that L-class planet Quark and Odo crash-land on in the ascent that has nothing but trees. At least, according to Odo:

QUARK: I can't believe it. I've been walking for three days and I haven't seen a single beetle. I could really go for a beetle right now. Any kind of beetle, just as long as it had a little meat on it.
ODO: There are no beetles, Quark.
QUARK: A nice slug would do.
ODO: There're no slugs, either. No slugs, no beetles, no worms, no snails. Nothing but rocks and trees and we can't eat any of it.

Yes, the two foremost xenobiologists in the Quadrant, while hiking up a mountain in frigid weather without tricorders, on a planet they never visited.

 

[Orphalesion]

Well, there's that L-class planet Quark and Odo crash-land on in the ascent that has nothing but trees. At least, according to Odo:

QUARK: I can't believe it. I've been walking for three days and I haven't seen a single beetle. I could really go for a beetle right now. Any kind of beetle, just as long as it had a little meat on it.
ODO: There are no beetles, Quark.
QUARK: A nice slug would do.
ODO: There're no slugs, either. No slugs, no beetles, no worms, no snails. Nothing but rocks and trees and we can't eat any of it.

Of course "realistically" the environmental adaptations that caused plants to grow into trees were often reactions to newly evolved animals, with both groups pushing each other along on the path of evolution.
But, well, with the explanation given in the Chase many planets in the Star Trek universe just had plants that were genetically programmed to evolve into trees by the precursors.

Yes, the two foremost xenobiologists in the Quadrant, while hiking up a mountain in frigid weather without tricorders, on a planet they never visited.

Yeah let's assume the characters talked nonsense (or in another variation lied for no apparent reason)
That's something I dislike a lot more than regular ret-cons.
The planet in the Chase that only had plants/forests and specifically no animal life was also called an L-Class planet. Did Data talk nonsense too? Had somebody deliberately falsified the information on that specific planet in the Enterprise's databanks?

 

[Finn]

Of course "realistically" the environmental adaptations that caused plants to grow into trees were often reactions to newly evolved animals, with both groups pushing each other along on the path of evolution.
But, well, with the explanation given in the Chase many planets in the Star Trek universe just had plants that were genetically programmed to evolve into trees by the precursors.


Yeah let's assume the characters talked nonsense (or in another variation lied for no apparent reason)
That's something I dislike a lot more than regular ret-cons.
The planet in the Chase that only had plants/forests and specifically no animal life was also called an L-Class planet. Did Data talk nonsense too? Had somebody deliberately falsified the information on that specific planet in the Enterprise's databanks?

I was talking about that DS9 episode where Quark had to carry a sub space radio up a mountain after a shuttlecraft crash.

I haven’t addressed The Chase in this thread.

 

[Orphalesion]

I was talking about that DS9 episode where Quark had to carry a sub space radio up a mountain after a shuttlecraft crash.

I haven’t addressed The Chase in this thread.

I know. I can read.
I telling you that in both cases the planets were identified as "Class L" and said to have only plants, specifically forested regions but no animal life whatsoever.
So there's no need to assume Quark and Odo are talking out of their asses, only because you apparently don't like the idea of a forested planet with no animals on it.

 

[Finn]

I know. I can read.
I telling you that in both cases the planets were identified as "Class L" and said to have only plants, specifically forested regions but no animal life whatsoever.
So there's no need to assume Quark and Odo are talking out of their asses, only because you apparently don't like the idea of a forested planet with no animals on it.

When did I say I didn't like the idea of a forested planet with no animals?

 

[ED-209]

For all it's flaws the last few eps of DSC S4 did a great job of showing a breaking of a language barrier - a good example of what it might actually be like to communicate with Aliens.

 

[1001001]

For all it's flaws the last few eps of DSC S4 did a great job of showing a breaking of a language barrier - a good example of what it might actually be like to communicate with Aliens.

Good stuff. Very Arrival-ish.

 

[ED-209]

Good stuff. Very Arrival-ish.

I felt like the last 3 episodes were a reward for my loyalty of sitting through the rest of it

 

[fireproof78]

For all it's flaws the last few eps of DSC S4 did a great job of showing a breaking of a language barrier - a good example of what it might actually be like to communicate with Aliens.

Indeed and it was my favorite part of it. It made it feel very unique and alien.