That's not the cadet badge. It's the one in the other picture. That picture was just for comparison.
Spoilers Ah, the NEW uniforms...!
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Ah.That's not the cadet badge. It's the one in the other picture. That picture was just for comparison.
Oh good grief...
What is it about uniforms that Gershon just does not get?!
Why are there three completely different formats of dress uniform...?!
Pick one design and then work up a number of variants if you need to.
Bah.
What is it about uniforms that Gershon just does not get?!
Why are there three completely different formats of dress uniform...?!
Pick one design and then work up a number of variants if you need to.
Bah.
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Different classes.
Nah. Not buying it.
Absolutely no need to make the uniforms for the crew, the captains and the admiral so completely different.
By all means have increasing extra details as rank progresses but they needed to pick one basic underlying design and stick with it.
This mix of different styles just looks dumb.
Absolutely no need to make the uniforms for the crew, the captains and the admiral so completely different.
By all means have increasing extra details as rank progresses but they needed to pick one basic underlying design and stick with it.
This mix of different styles just looks dumb.
It’s a conspiracy to sell new uniform bundle packs on Star Trek Online. 
Just to use the example of the US Coast Guard:
just for dress uniforms alone (not counting differences between enlisted, officer, noncom) you have:
Service Dress Blue
Service Dress White
Dinner Dress Blue
Dinner Dress White
not to mention:
Winter Dress Blue and
Tropical Blue
which can be worn as dress uniforms in certain situations. And we haven't even gotten into the operational uniforms yet.
which I won't, as I made my point and I am supposed to be doing something else right now.
the problem, if there is one, and there isn't, isn't that we have had too many uniforms, its that there have always been too few. I like that starfleet went through a period where a nice colorful pullover, dark trousers and boots of your choice (good luck finding uniform boots in TOS) was the name of the game. It's positively odd that it went through decades of wearing an uncomfortable dressy crimson uniform with difficult-to-read rank insignia at all times for decades.
Nope. Still not buying it.
I’m perfectly well aware that it makes sense for Starfleet to have a range of uniforms for different purposes. I have long argued for this.
My point here is not that different classes of uniforms shouldn’t exist, it’s that the dress uniforms should have some degree of consistency to their basic underlying design — and these are all over the place.
I usually try to avoid comparing Starfleet to contemporary uniform services but to use your USCG analogy, this is like having all the crew and an admiral supposedly in service dress but then making the captains wear red instead of blue, using different patterns of rank insignia and making the crew have a different design of coat to the captains and the admiral having something completely different again.
Sure, USCG has a range of uniforms for different purposes and, yes, sure, several different uniform classes can be used in formal settings, but as a general rule, one specific class is designated for any given occasion and if they’re all supposed to be in one designated uniform then it’s based on the same underlying design.
So, for example, if they’re at a formal event in blue service dress then it’s the same basic pattern of shirt, tie, trousers and jacket for all ranks, just with just variations for rank insignia and then some differentiation of details for different tiers of ranks (such as cap badges, the gold straps on the caps for officers and then two additional patterns of oak leaves on the caps for senior officers and admirals).
Starfleet has pretty much always followed this pattern too: the TOS dress uniforms were all the same basic design (albeit including the different department colours), just with increasing gold braid as rank increased. TNG had even more similarities, with the same basic dress uniforms in department colours for everyone and only the rank insignia being different.
The white “mess jacket” style dress uniforms from the later TNG movies and also DS9 were, again, the same basic pattern, including department colours, for everyone just with white front/collar for captains and the same for admirals with the addition of double cuff-bands.
They needed that same basic approach here.
I’m perfectly well aware that it makes sense for Starfleet to have a range of uniforms for different purposes. I have long argued for this.
My point here is not that different classes of uniforms shouldn’t exist, it’s that the dress uniforms should have some degree of consistency to their basic underlying design — and these are all over the place.
I usually try to avoid comparing Starfleet to contemporary uniform services but to use your USCG analogy, this is like having all the crew and an admiral supposedly in service dress but then making the captains wear red instead of blue, using different patterns of rank insignia and making the crew have a different design of coat to the captains and the admiral having something completely different again.
Sure, USCG has a range of uniforms for different purposes and, yes, sure, several different uniform classes can be used in formal settings, but as a general rule, one specific class is designated for any given occasion and if they’re all supposed to be in one designated uniform then it’s based on the same underlying design.
So, for example, if they’re at a formal event in blue service dress then it’s the same basic pattern of shirt, tie, trousers and jacket for all ranks, just with just variations for rank insignia and then some differentiation of details for different tiers of ranks (such as cap badges, the gold straps on the caps for officers and then two additional patterns of oak leaves on the caps for senior officers and admirals).
Starfleet has pretty much always followed this pattern too: the TOS dress uniforms were all the same basic design (albeit including the different department colours), just with increasing gold braid as rank increased. TNG had even more similarities, with the same basic dress uniforms in department colours for everyone and only the rank insignia being different.
The white “mess jacket” style dress uniforms from the later TNG movies and also DS9 were, again, the same basic pattern, including department colours, for everyone just with white front/collar for captains and the same for admirals with the addition of double cuff-bands.
They needed that same basic approach here.
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Reminds me of the real world. So, yeah, I buy it just fine.
YMMV…. 
I get different classes of uniforms, that’s not a problem — but if these are *all* supposed to be dress uniforms then don’t think it *is* like the real world, nor is it consistent with Trek / Starfleet history. See above…!
I get different classes of uniforms, that’s not a problem — but if these are *all* supposed to be dress uniforms then don’t think it *is* like the real world, nor is it consistent with Trek / Starfleet history. See above…!
I think they're going way the hell overboard with all the new uniforms. Hell, it seems like the crew are wearing different unis in every scene! 
That said, are my eyes deceiving me, or were the space station crew wearing the "old" 32nd-century uniforms from last season?
That said, are my eyes deceiving me, or were the space station crew wearing the "old" 32nd-century uniforms from last season?
I think they're going way the hell overboard with all the new uniforms. Hell, it seems like the crew are wearing different unis in every scene!
That said, are my eyes deceiving me, or were the space station crew wearing the "old" 32nd-century uniforms from last season?
Old..but also the different ones without collars lol
My only real objection is Burnham's thus far. But I would need to see all the new uniforms for me to be properly outraged.YMMV….
I get different classes of uniforms, that’s not a problem — but if these are *all* supposed to be dress uniforms then don’t think it *is* like the real world, nor is it consistent with Trek / Starfleet history. See above…!
Also comes across as a bit snobbish for the captain to have such a wildly different dress uniform. Any good captain would want to look one of the crew not apart.
Also is red just for captains now. I can't remember seeing any of the crew wearing red and kind of surprised Detmer isn't in red
I wish the dress uniforms were actually the regular Starfleet uniforms. They looked great. They were elegant but simple, and honestly they look like they fit better and more comfortable for the actors to wear. Plus they look appropriately futuristic, whereas the actual regular uniforms don't.
She gets it just fine. She just has artistic goals that differ from yours.
Why not? It makes perfect sense that different ranks of the officer corps could have different dress uniform designs. If it bothers you that much, just make something up for your headcannon -- maybe it's a cultural practice that evolved in Starfleet over the course of a thousand years. Maybe it originated with a species that joined the Federation and Starfleet adopted their practice.
No they don't. You just have a different aesthetic than Gershon and the producers.
I really don't see what the problem with that would be if the USCG did that.
Does it really bother you so much to imagine that the Starfleet of the 32nd Century might do a few things differently from the Starfleet of the 23rd and 24th Centuries?
I just don't like the Assymetry in the uniform.
I wish the Uniform was more Symmetrical.
I wish the Uniform was more Symmetrical.
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