7X05 The Angels Take Manhattan (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

[Orac Zen]

Say what you want about RTD, but at least he never contradicted himself.

Really? Never?

Or even more appropriately, the whole Rose/alt universe saga. The universes are closed we can never, EVER see each other again...oops yes we can, or the whole Donna "If she remembers her head will explode" malarkey.

I'm not sure why this thread briefly turned into "RTD / Moffat sucks and anyone who disagrees is an idiot", but so long as we're here it's pretty clear neither is flawless.

And as much as I dislike the notion of the Ponds being gone forever...if Moffat pulls the sort of pathetic RTD-style "oh, we can undo this supposedly permanent thing" stunt mentioned above, I'll be beyond disgusted. I don't like it, but now it's done I'd rather it sticks.

 

[Starkers]

Say what you want about RTD, but at least he never contradicted himself.

Really? Never?

Or even more appropriately, the whole Rose/alt universe saga. The universes are closed we can never, EVER see each other again...oops yes we can, or the whole Donna "If she remembers her head will explode" malarkey.

I'm not sure why this thread briefly turned into "RTD / Moffat sucks and anyone who disagrees is an idiot", but so long as we're here it's pretty clear neither is flawless.

And as much as I dislike the notion of the Ponds being gone forever...if Moffat pulls the sort of pathetic RTD-style "oh, we can undo this supposedly permanent thing" stunt mentioned above, I'll be beyond disgusted. I don't like it, but now it's done I'd rather it sticks.

Hope you don't mind me highlighting that bit, but truer words were rarely spoken!!

 

[Shazam!]

Maybe he never married River Song.

That would be too good to be true.

 

[Lonemagpie]

I will be very impressed if Moffat planned all this from "The Eleventh Hour". If he always intended the whole thing to loop back on that one scene with Amelia waiting and the subterfuge that led us all to believe it was just a dream.

He admitted in interviews over the last couple of weeks that he changed the end very late on... So I'd guess not

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Anyway, all it takes is a single reference to these seasons later to completely debunk the idea that it was all a dream (not that it really makes sense in the first place - the events in this episode have to be real for the Doctor to get the idea to tell a story in the first place and this episode references those other events). The only point of that scene is that the Doctor still gets to spend time with Amy, only just the time where Amy grew up thinking about the raggedy man.

 

[Deckerd]

EDIT: Just checked in from the other thread. Apparentally, that's the new Freedom Tower under costruction where the WTC was.

One World Trade Center.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

People were calling it the Freedom Tower before it was built, so I suspect the name will stick. One World Trade Center is more or less its address either way, but it's supposed to also be its name.

 

[Deckerd]

I'd only ever heard its official name.


Freedom Tower has too many connotations with freedom fries in any case.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Did Freedom Fries ever take?

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I'd only ever heard its official name.


Freedom Tower has too many connotations with freedom fries in any case.

Would you like Freedom Towers with that?

 

[Deckerd]

Wrong thread I know but Noel Fielding was asking that on Jimmy Carr's quiz show last night: how often does the House of Representatives decide to rename food?

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Wrong thread I know but Noel Fielding was asking that on Jimmy Carr's quiz show last night: how often does the House of Representatives decide to rename food?

I will watch that on 4oD when I get chance.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Freedom Tower has too many connotations with freedom fries in any case.

I'll always call it the French Tower.

 

[Deckerd]

Fielding and Richard Ayoade were trying to out-strange each other. Fielding lost hands down.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Fielding and Richard Ayoade were trying to out-strange each other. Fielding lost hands down.

All is right with the world.

 

[Starkers]

Was it as funny as when Bernard Cribbens out surrealed Fielding?

 

[Shazam!]

I'd only ever heard its official name.


Freedom Tower has too many connotations with freedom fries in any case.

It's Four Freedoms Plaza

 

[Australis]

Ahhh, that's why I thought it was WTC, the right location.

Vwry good, carry on.

 

[Starkers]

I'd only ever heard its official name.


Freedom Tower has too many connotations with freedom fries in any case.

It's Four Freedoms Plaza

I read that as four freedom pizzas...

 

[The Wormhole]

EDIT: Just checked in from the other thread. Apparentally, that's the new Freedom Tower under costruction where the WTC was.

One World Trade Center.

People were calling it the Freedom Tower before it was built, so I suspect the name will stick. One World Trade Center is more or less its address either way, but it's supposed to also be its name.

I'd only ever heard its official name.


Freedom Tower has too many connotations with freedom fries in any case.

I'm not American, I remember the "Freedom Tower" name from years back, that's what I used. Apoligies for an offense given or ignorance shown.