For Cassie it was a personal choice. Without the plague, the sequence of events that led to Cole's birth would never have happened. She was unwilling to sacrifice him for the greater good. That's how I see it.
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For Cassie it was a personal choice. Without the plague, the sequence of events that led to Cole's birth would never have happened. She was unwilling to sacrifice him for the greater good. That's how I see it.
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In that regard, I think you might be right. As she said, they could save the world or themselves, but not both. And while Cole was basing his decision on the numbers (so many millions vs. the actual destruction of the world), he still felt that when it came down to that moment, they had no choice.
Also, the fact that the Tall Man basically reminded her that she still could win (by letting the Red Forest come into being) indicates to me that this is likely what she'll decide in the two-parter next week.
In that regard, I think you might be right. As she said, they could save the world or themselves, but not both. And while Cole was basing his decision on the numbers (so many millions vs. the actual destruction of the world), he still felt that when it came down to that moment, they had no choice.
Also, the fact that the Tall Man basically reminded her that she still could win (by letting the Red Forest come into being) indicates to me that this is likely what she'll decide in the two-parter next week.
Yeah...killing Hitler feels like jumping the shark. I mean...wouldn't the result then be Germany WINNING the war because security would be tighter...and the A Bomb would be developed by Germany first.
One good thing about that story...Jones got to be the German liaison, and "realistically" convincing.
This whole season seemed to be doing extreme time traveling (from knights to the wild west...though falls into thebother time travel trope -- only go where white people are the majority)
And the latest episode...so how close was that airport scene to the original movie?
And so Jones might have been like a mother to Come..but she is actually his granny???? Well they had me going for a moment that Olivia was his granny
This whole binge season...at least me and my wife were able to catch up unlike last year
One good thing about that story...Jones got to be the German liaison, and "realistically" convincing.
This whole season seemed to be doing extreme time traveling (from knights to the wild west...though falls into thebother time travel trope -- only go where white people are the majority)
And the latest episode...so how close was that airport scene to the original movie?
And so Jones might have been like a mother to Come..but she is actually his granny???? Well they had me going for a moment that Olivia was his granny
This whole binge season...at least me and my wife were able to catch up unlike last year
It certainly resonated with the scene from the movie, but it differed in the fact that Cole (adult version) was not shot and killed, and the incident is witnessed by Cole, the child. But it was similar enough that it was obvious that the showrunners were paying homage to the film, much in the same way the very first ep followed much of the film's plot-points.
I think the airport scene was done when it was because the series end is likely to be vastly different from the movie.
Wow.
I am blown away - the finale lived up to the promise in the above-mentioned reviews. That was simply great. It was touching, well-written, action-packed... And the final fate of Olivia and that particular reveal was just simply fuckin' awesome.
This show, IMO, is every bit as good as BSG was, and certainly one of the five best science-fiction shows ever done on American television. It took the basic concept of a good film and took it to unimagined heights. I can't wait to collect the whole series on BDs and binge-watch the whole thing from the beginning.
I am blown away - the finale lived up to the promise in the above-mentioned reviews. That was simply great. It was touching, well-written, action-packed... And the final fate of Olivia and that particular reveal was just simply fuckin' awesome.
This show, IMO, is every bit as good as BSG was, and certainly one of the five best science-fiction shows ever done on American television. It took the basic concept of a good film and took it to unimagined heights. I can't wait to collect the whole series on BDs and binge-watch the whole thing from the beginning.
Forbes says it was the best series finale since Breaking Bad. I don't disagree. Absolutely onboard with the Olivia reveal; I practically jumped out of my chair. Perfection all around.
A fairly clever and effective finale, but I'm surprised at how sentimental it ended up being. I mean, after last week's hugely dark ending with Cassie actually causing the plague and killing 7 billion people, they barely touched on the impact of that moment and just got caught up in all the big action and final victory laps for dead characters and the happy ending where all the bad stuff never happened. It feels like a bit of a cheat, though an effectively engineered one.
I wasn't sure about that. Even with the windows open, they must've really had the speakers cranked up for the music to be so much more audible from a distance than the engine.
I also had a hard time believing that Deacon was just putting on an act the whole time and pretending he didn't know the future. I would've found it more plausible if, say, Old Jennifer had gotten him so drunk that he forgot the whole thing.
Plus I had trouble believing that Cole could initiate the splinter sequence all by himself. What did they need Jones and Adler and the rest for, then?
And does Jennifer remembering everything mean that Primaries still exist to give time a consciousness? I sort of figured that the Primaries were a sort of temporal defense mechanism against the damage caused to the timeline by Cole's recursive existence and the rise of the Army of the 12 Monkeys, which means that removing all that would mean they never existed either. I guess not, though. Of course, if time travel was invented once, it will be invented again, and someone else could create the same kind of paradox.
I wasn't sure about that. Even with the windows open, they must've really had the speakers cranked up for the music to be so much more audible from a distance than the engine.
I also had a hard time believing that Deacon was just putting on an act the whole time and pretending he didn't know the future. I would've found it more plausible if, say, Old Jennifer had gotten him so drunk that he forgot the whole thing.
Plus I had trouble believing that Cole could initiate the splinter sequence all by himself. What did they need Jones and Adler and the rest for, then?
And does Jennifer remembering everything mean that Primaries still exist to give time a consciousness? I sort of figured that the Primaries were a sort of temporal defense mechanism against the damage caused to the timeline by Cole's recursive existence and the rise of the Army of the 12 Monkeys, which means that removing all that would mean they never existed either. I guess not, though. Of course, if time travel was invented once, it will be invented again, and someone else could create the same kind of paradox.
Just finished it all. What an incredible series and finale!
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