"Agent Carter" season one discussion and spoilers

[Trekker4747]

No, it promoted itself as a good show, but it wasn't, at all. I watched both episodes hoping for anything worthwhile, and outside of a few decent actors, it didn't have that. What, was I supposed to turn it off when the first 10 minutes annoyed me? I give shows a bit more time than that, generally speaking. So, I took a chance, and it completely wastewd my time.

Yeah, it promoted itself as a good show! Why don't bad shows promote themselves as bad shows?! I mean, it's like they want people to WATCH them or something!

And if you didn't like it after 10 minutes, yes, you turn it off. A rule of thumb for movies, for example, is that you have 10 minutes to hook your audience or you'll likely never get them. This can extend to TV as well. If after 10 minutes you weren't hooked, turn it off. If you felt like you needed to give the show more time, fine. But you seemed to have gone on for the whole run. Why? If after 10 minutes you weren't hooked certainly you weren't after 20 minutes, 30? An hour?

I pretty much have to keep watching it, but I'm done letting it bother me. Its a complete failure, but Marvel can't win them all.

Are Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely in your home holding a gun to your head? Threatening to throw a stuffed rabbit out the back of a cargo plane? Why do you *have* to keep watching it?! You clearly don't like it, very strongly, passionately and with a deep, deep, hatred usually reserved for Nazis and child molesters. So why keep watching it?! If you think the show is a failure after 1 or 2 episodes then why keep going on? You don't have to do anything. Just don't watch it.

But, then, I guess you'd have nothing to complain about.

 

[Trekker4747]

Women and machinery don't mix. Their ovaries get in the way or something.

I just found there's no delete post button, only an edit.

Hmmm....

Nevermind

It's a joke.

 

[Admiral2]

I pretty much have to keep watching it, but I'm done letting it bother me. Its a complete failure, but Marvel can't win them all.

Are Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely in your home holding a gun to your head? Threatening to throw a stuffed rabbit out the back of a cargo plane? Why do you *have* to keep watching it?! You clearly don't like it, very strongly, passionately and with a deep, deep, hatred usually reserved for Nazis and child molesters. So why keep watching it?! If you think the show is a failure after 1 or 2 episodes then why keep going on?

Because eventually some utterly kool-aid drinking devotee of the show will pop up and say "What? You can't give up after just two eps! You have to watch the entire run crazy glued to your chair with no bathroom breaks to get the true feel of its greatness!!!"

You know, just like almost every Browncoat that's ever posted on this board.

Even if sitting through it is torture, doing so allows you to say with impunity: "I've seen all of it. It's all shit."

It's a valid choice...

 

[Trekker4747]

I pretty much have to keep watching it, but I'm done letting it bother me. Its a complete failure, but Marvel can't win them all.

Are Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely in your home holding a gun to your head? Threatening to throw a stuffed rabbit out the back of a cargo plane? Why do you *have* to keep watching it?! You clearly don't like it, very strongly, passionately and with a deep, deep, hatred usually reserved for Nazis and child molesters. So why keep watching it?! If you think the show is a failure after 1 or 2 episodes then why keep going on?

Because eventually some utterly kool-aid drinking devotee of the show will pop up and say "What? You can't give up after just two eps! You have to watch the entire run crazy glued to your chair with no bathroom breaks to get the true feel of its greatness!!!"

You know, just like almost every Browncoat that's ever posted on this board.

Even if sitting through it is torture, doing so allows you to say with impunity: "I've seen all of it. It's all shit."

It's a valid choice...

Yeah, but in most cases with that it's a case of giving a show time to build a narrative, flesh out characters, finding footing, all of that.

But if you watch one or two episodes of a show and you have a burning, fiery, hyperbolic HATE for it with the intensity and passion reserved for dictators then, yeah, I'd say you can stop watching.

 

[kitik]

Or maybe she's just part of the long tradition of TV characters who are heard but never seen, like Carleton the Doorman on Rhoda.

That may actually be a logical choice here. If the intention is to create some sort of tension or relationship between Jarvis and Peggy, while knowing that Jarvis is already committed and spoken for, it may be best to leave that comparison unseen.

 

[kitik]

First episode ratings were decent
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...ot-adults-18-49-rating-in-over-a-year/346826/

press release from ABC:

ABC Tuesday Prime (8-11pm – 6.2 million and 1.6/5 in AD18-49): Featuring the debut of Marvel’s Agent Carter and the return of Forever, ABC took second to CBS’ original Tuesday drama lineup in Total Viewers (6.2 million) and Adults 18-49 (1.6/5), beating Fox’s original lineup (4.0 million and 1.5/5).

· ABC marked its biggest audience on the night with regular programming since season premiere Tuesday in September – since 9/23/14. In addition, the Net was up over the year-ago night by 22% in Total Viewers and by 7% in Adults 18-49.

Marvel’s Agent Carter (8-10pm – 6.9 million and 1.9/6 in AD18-49): From 8-10pm, ABC’s debut of Marvel’s Agent Carter ranked a solid second to CBS’ original dramas (NCIS/NCIS: New Orleans) in Adults 18-49, beating Fox’s prime by 26% (Masterchef Junior/New Girl/The Mindy Project = 1.5/5). The new ABC drama ranked #1 in the 2-hour time period among Men 18-34 (tie) and Teens 12-17.

· ABC’s Marvel’s Agent Carter delivered the Net’s best Adult 18-49 rating in the 2-hour time slot with regular programming in more than a year – since 11/5/13. In addition, Agent Carter was also up from the most recent airing of S.H.I.E.L.D. (5.3 million and 1.7/5 on 12/9/14), which was the show’s 2nd-strongest performance since its September premiere, in viewers (+30%) and young adults (+12%).

· Carter was the most social series on broadcast last night with 104,053 tweets, making this the 2nd most social new drama series premiere for ABC,behind only to How to Get Away with Murder.

 

[Christopher]

That may actually be a logical choice here. If the intention is to create some sort of tension or relationship between Jarvis and Peggy, while knowing that Jarvis is already committed and spoken for, it may be best to leave that comparison unseen.

I was wondering if maybe Jarvis's unseen wife was a nod to something in the comics, but apparently Earth-616 Jarvis is single. Which suggests to me that maybe the reason this version of Jarvis is married is to preclude any possibility of romance with Peggy, to make it clear that they're just colleagues.

 

[davejames]

Only watched the first hour so far but thought it was surprisingly good. It wasn't quite as fun and energetic as the commercials made it look, but the 40s time period was still really cool to see and they did a great job establishing Carter as a leading character that you want to continue to follow.

Of course the coolest part was watching her kick the crap out of that guy in her apartment. That was such a badass scene, and I can't wait to see her do it again.

 

[Captain Craig]

I really, really enjoyed last nights 2hour/episode debut of Agent Carter! It felt like a mashup of MadMen meets Alias with that touch of Marvel flair!

 

[Dick Whitman]

I checked it out because its a period piece. It looks incredible! I am not sure if I will watch it again though.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You've seen the Lake House. You wish you hadn't, but you have.

Peggy can start adventures that Coulson can finish.

In Torchwood, they had "timevaults" (meaning the vault was set to a timer) so that the future would become aware of missions the past found out about dangerously too early (because of time travel.) that could now be safely dealt to.

 

[Masiral]

Loved the last line in the Ant-Man teaser!

Darn right! Who coined the name "Ant-Man", anyway? (Same genius who coined "Absorbing Man", I trust? )

Both Stan "The Man" Lee...a genius in my book...albeit a sometimes-corny one.

Also the same guy who coined the name "Spider-Man".

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Because eventually some utterly kool-aid drinking devotee of the show will pop up and say "What? You can't give up after just two eps! You have to watch the entire run crazy glued to your chair with no bathroom breaks to get the true feel of its greatness!!!"

So you're subjecting yourself to unpleasantness because someone might try and involve you in a conversation you would presumably have no reason to be involved in because you aren't at all involved in watching the show?

Normally what I see are people who keep posting every week about how much they hate a show. If they do that without watching it, they legitimately leave themselves open for criticism for opining something without knowledge. But why are they bothering to follow the discussion for something they clearly don't like anyway?

 

[Christopher]

Normally what I see are people who keep posting every week about how much they hate a show. If they do that without watching it, they legitimately leave themselves open for criticism for opining something without knowledge. But why are they bothering to follow the discussion for something they clearly don't like anyway?

I often wonder that myself. Maybe it's just the human need to socialize, the desire to participate in whatever it is that everyone else is discussing. They may hate the shows everyone else is talking about, but they don't want to be left out of the conversation. Or something.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's called Hatef###ing.

 

[Velocity]

I thought it was a little heavy handed with the co-workers. Men of that era tended to be more protective of women than disparaging, I think. I get it that it was to highlight the skills of Carter, but I would have preferred to see her being part of a team, rather than superwoman. The first episodes aren't always the best showcase of a series, so I'll give it more time even though I mostly dislike period shows.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I thought it was a little heavy handed with the co-workers. Men of that era tended to be more protective of women than disparaging, I think.

That's painting with a pretty broad brush. To me, it's one thing to be protective of women (the suggestion that she not see the guy get beat up because a lady shouldn't need to see that would fall on the "protective" side of things), but they weren't exactly trusting in their competence. NYPD Homicide, by all accounts, seemed to have that attitude at least into the 1980s. I certainly could think this field office, which is very much in the FBI mold more than CIA mold so far, would trust their own abilities over the abilities of women.

I will say, while they're not the most cooperative, they did at least follow her suggestion regarding searching clothes. Some of them even thought she might know something about Baseball.

 

[DWF]

I thought it was a little heavy handed with the co-workers. Men of that era tended to be more protective of women than disparaging, I think.

That's painting with a pretty broad brush. To me, it's one thing to be protective of women (the suggestion that she not see the guy get beat up because a lady shouldn't need to see that would fall on the "protective" side of things), but they weren't exactly trusting in their competence. NYPD Homicide, by all accounts, seemed to have that attitude at least into the 1980s. I certainly could think this field office, which is very much in the FBI mold more than CIA mold so far, would trust their own abilities over the abilities of women.

I will say, while they're not the most cooperative, they did at least follow her suggestion regarding searching clothes. Some of them even thought she might know something about Baseball.

It appeared to be only Peggy's boss who was sexist and demeaning of her war record in retrospect it's odd that he didn't put down her nationality as well. But then I think all of that only made her more interesting and certainly smarter looking as well as a stronger character.

 

[Christopher]

I thought it was a little heavy handed with the co-workers. Men of that era tended to be more protective of women than disparaging, I think.

That's painting with a pretty broad brush. To me, it's one thing to be protective of women (the suggestion that she not see the guy get beat up because a lady shouldn't need to see that would fall on the "protective" side of things), but they weren't exactly trusting in their competence. NYPD Homicide, by all accounts, seemed to have that attitude at least into the 1980s.

Yes. Men at the time would've been protective of women who stayed in their "proper' place and acted as women were supposed to; but Peggy was a woman trying to do the work of men, intruding on their space, and that was unacceptable.

Besides, a lot of the time, what may look protective to a man might actually feel disparaging to a woman. Like when Sousa tried to stand up for Peggy and she told him she wished he hadn't. Even though he was defending her, he was still condescending, treating her like a child when she would rather be treated as an adult able to fight her own battles.

 

[DEWLine]

The office they are in (SSR) really reminds me of where SHEILD is headquartered, is it a redressed set?
Is it possible it's the same building? I didn't think it was but they were going through SSR files in their building.

The season 2 SHIELD headquarters, the Playground, is a former SSR bunker, which has made me wonder if both shows are using the same sets. However, they can't be the same facility in-universe, since Peggy's SSR offices are underneath Manhattan, and the Playground is out in the wilderness, somewhere remote enough that they can launch large aircraft from it undetected.

And yet close enough to Washington/Arlington that Coulson can see the skyline and the field agents can ride into and out of various parts of that collection of cities and towns with relative ease.