Uniform Confirmation from Trekmovie.com

Since I wasn't around in the 60s to see this in first run, I must defer to the elder statesmen of Star Trek, but looking at the restored footage, I don't see green.

To help us all with what is apparently a holocaust-level tragedy (mini-Godwin'd), here is some restored footage with a "green-scale" to show everyone what green is.



I see no green.

That's a good point. Canon is what we were shown, not what was in the studio. If the later was the case then Spock was human and the Enterprise consists of 6-7 rooms on a sound stage.

 

This is going to be a great conversation.

How about using material from the rest of the fucking site, instead of the earliest and worst example of restoration? The front page really hasn't been touched much since Curt put it up a few years ago.

Let's take a look at other clips, like the clip from "Shore Leave," at the bottom of this page.

Or how a bout a clip from the same fucking scene as your example?

Dig for yourself and you'll see that they're more yellow under studio lighting than outside. Also, the earlier, velour tunics seem to change color more than the third-season nylons.

I'll admit, they aren't exactly avocado, but they're definitely a sort of pale, yellow-green mix.

This is more than likely the reason. No biggie. They can wear pasties as long as the story and acting isn't more of the vogue sci-trash that we've been force-fed by most of Hollywood for the past few years.

 

Doesn't matter what colour it was on the set - it came out gold. For 40 years it's been gold. Gold for command. Gold.

Kirk had a green tunic that was wraparound. That was green.

I understand your point, USS Mariner, I do - but regardless of what colour the fabric was when they shot it - its always been gold.

 

Yes...I'M the one that bringing the level of civility down in the conversation.

 

This debate seems rather futile. Most (=99.9%) people remember the TOS uniforms as gold, red and blue so it is only logical to use those colors in a new production.

 

I said that earlier. It would be a stupid move for JJ to make uniforms so close to the "classic" look, using the actual green, and end up with complaints accusing him of "altering history."

Complaints coming from, of course, purists and canon-freaks.

 

When someone gives you resources for a debate, you're supposed to examine them fully, not look at the first picture and throw the rest into the garbage.

It wouldn't be as annoying if you didn't pull this crap all the time.

 

I looked at the two pages linked, and the command tunic looks gold in them to me. There may be a greenish tint, but compared with the surrounding actual green (e.g., plants), it's definitely more gold than green. It's certainly not avocado.

Maybe they went with a greenish-gold rather than gold-gold because on camera gold-gold velour would wash out to yellow? If they really meant for it to broadcast as green, they certainly could have done so. There were plenty of other green costumes over the course of the series that came out as exactly that on-screen.

Another item supporting the idea that the intent was gold rather than green... the mirror universe. All of the uniforms in the mirror universe, though different in cut and style, were the same color as those in "our" universe (i.e., our Uhura and their Uhura both wore red, our Spock and theirs both wore blue). And in the mirror universe, Captain Kirk most definitely wore gold.

And merchandising. Did they ever release a Captain Kirk action figure with a green tunic?

 

It wasn't until the remastered version started airing that I saw that the gold was actually more of a green. In my 30 years of watching TOS it always looked gold. After the remastered aired I found out that the uniforms were actually green. I never came across it in reading about TOS so I was quite surprised.

 

If the TOS uniforms were supposed to be green but turned out gold, they should have PAINTED THEM GREENER!

 

This conversation has gone on for three pages now without being resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

Now that's gold.

 

No, it's green.

 

Likewise, Brent Spiner was painted green to play Data with a pale gold face. Elizabeth Taylor was also painted green to make her appear especially white and pale in Cleopatra. Not too dissimilar, anyone who has taken a basic photography class knows not to shoot under florescent lights. They turn you green. Photography is an imperfect translation, but a professional photographer knows how to manipulate colors to gain a desired effect. The end result is what matters. Shatner wore green. Kirk wore gold. The Enterprise is a giant ship in space, not a good sized prop in a warehouse. The illusion is brought to us by talented and experienced technicians and is completely intentional. If they wanted the shirt to look green, they'd have caught it's appearance in color tests and told wardrobe to change it.

 

Agreed.

 

Sorry.

 

It was GREY dammit!! Us poor kids who watched it on 13" black & white televisions saw GREY!!!
Actually, I'm seeing things I never knew now that I'm watching the TOS-R episodes in HD on www.startrek.com. Thank you, CBS.
Like the 3 colors in WNMHGB... avacado green for command, blue for sciences, tan for everything else. It's amazing what you see in HD.

Also, one of the reasons Kennedy beat Nixon in the 1960 televised debates: Kennedy's people understood how colors showed up on a TV, so they had him wear a light blue shirt which came out white compared to Nixon's white shirt which came out grey (dirty white). (I knew college history had some practical use!)