New Enterprise May Have Nacelles That...

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STARTREK11 said:
EyalM said:
STARTREK11 said:


you cannot see plasma in space unless it interacts with something....

WRONG!
You're thinking about light beams. Plasma is ionized gas, and as such emits light in all directions.
Now that I think about it, since it's gas, the plasma "coming out of the nacelles" will expand in all directions so it can't hit the enemy vessel like a beam at all (its temperature will also drop dramatically as it expands, btw).

Explain why in some plasma welding the beam is almost invisable until yu start cutting?

Because you need an electric arc to form between the electrode and the workpiece.

So you are saying a high energy proton travelling at 200 km/sec beam will be cold even a just a few feet away from the vessal?

First, there wouldn't be any high energy proton because the nacelles don't emit plasma.
Two ,who said anything about a few feet away?

why does nasa make people stand a mile away from the nozzle in launches if the gas cools that quickly?

There is more then one reason. But my favorite is that NASA doesn't want the spectators to suffocate to death.


why is the cooling water tank underneath turning to steam?

because the reaction is extremely exothermic.
please google plasma welding.


in any case it was the high energy plasm's IMPACT on the enemy hull which generated rapid heating to 3000 kelvins...

again, the plasma will escape in all directions, hitting the Enterprise too.

I would never ask you to put your hand in front of a plasma beam.

I would never ask you to put your hand in front of a plasma beam, either.
 
STARTREK11 said:
EyalM said:
STARTREK11 said:


you cannot see plasma in space unless it interacts with something....

WRONG!
You're thinking about light beams. Plasma is ionized gas, and as such emits light in all directions.
Now that I think about it, since it's gas, the plasma "coming out of the nacelles" will expand in all directions so it can't hit the enemy vessel like a beam at all (its temperature will also drop dramatically as it expands, btw).


emits light?

emits radiation which is invisiable to the human eye...like infrared or ultraviolet....

Ever hear of something called "the sun"?
 
EyalM said:
STARTREK11 said:
EyalM said:
STARTREK11 said:


you cannot see plasma in space unless it interacts with something....

WRONG!
You're thinking about light beams. Plasma is ionized gas, and as such emits light in all directions.
Now that I think about it, since it's gas, the plasma "coming out of the nacelles" will expand in all directions so it can't hit the enemy vessel like a beam at all (its temperature will also drop dramatically as it expands, btw).


emits light?

emits radiation which is invisiable to the human eye...like infrared or ultraviolet....

Ever hear of something called "the sun"?
Oh no, you're trying to use reason. Honestly, it's not gonna work. He's going to tell you that the sun is different because it's made of magical jelly... ;)
 
STARTREK11 said:
cultcross said:
STARTREK11 said:
I am very educated and believe in not going with establishedpractice so that new avenues of thought can be discovered.

All progress was made by breaking the mold of conventional thought.

Why don't you get to work on a perpetual motion machine - after all, we'll never make progress as long as we're slaves to the laws of thermodynamics!!

Perpetual motion machines exist,they are called Solar Systems.

A solar system is not a perpetual motion machine. It does no work. (I'm referring, of course, to an ideal solar system, with no space dust, extrasolar objects, or other sundries mucking up how it goes. I'm also, apparently, assuming that the body at the center, be it sun or black hole, will not expend its energy or eventually evaporate).
 
STARTREK11 said:
Perpetual motion machines exist,they are called Solar Systems.
Excuse me while I go a little off topic here...

It took quite a bit of energy to get that solar system moving in the first place (the supernova of an older star, for example). I think a solar system only gives up energy equal to what was put into the system in the first place -- albeit, it's a lot of energy and will take biliions of years to use up. The energy out will still be less than or equal to the energy put in.

I may be wrong, but I think that would not qualify it as a perpetual motion machine
 
STARTREK11 said:
EyalM said:
STARTREK11 said:


you cannot see plasma in space unless it interacts with something....

WRONG!
You're thinking about light beams. Plasma is ionized gas, and as such emits light in all directions.
Now that I think about it, since it's gas, the plasma "coming out of the nacelles" will expand in all directions so it can't hit the enemy vessel like a beam at all (its temperature will also drop dramatically as it expands, btw).


emits light?

emits radiation which is invisiable to the human eye...like infrared or ultraviolet....

Both of which are forms of light... so I assume your point is 'yes, you're correct'.

If you're confusing 'light' with 'light in the visible region', actually, most ionised gas at that kind of temperature would emit light in the visible wavelengths too - you mention plasma torches' visible arcs yourself.


Why don't you just admit you came up with that 'script' yourself, rather than just happening to come across the exact part of the script which includes the thing you were being teased about in this thread? It doesn't even read like realistic dialogue for the characters involved, you could at least have tried a bit harder.
Not to mention its made a freaking huge Treknology error right there in the 'script' by saying the impulse engines are on the nacelles. Either you made it up or someone's feeding you some serious bull.
 
It just occurred to me what this thread reminds me of: Major Barcalow. It has that same sort of absurd performance art quality to it.
 
David cgc said:
STARTREK11 said:
cultcross said:
STARTREK11 said:
I am very educated and believe in not going with establishedpractice so that new avenues of thought can be discovered.

All progress was made by breaking the mold of conventional thought.

Why don't you get to work on a perpetual motion machine - after all, we'll never make progress as long as we're slaves to the laws of thermodynamics!!

Perpetual motion machines exist,they are called Solar Systems.

A solar system is not a perpetual motion machine. It does no work. (I'm referring, of course, to an ideal solar system, with no space dust, extrasolar objects, or other sundries mucking up how it goes. I'm also, apparently, assuming that the body at the centre, be it sun or black hole, will not expend its energy or eventually evaporate).

What he said. A solar system does not use energy so is not a perpetual motion machine. What energy it does lose (through the small amount of resistance the planets encounter in airless space) results in the planets slowing down their orbital velocity, at a very very slow rate as the resistance is particles of space dust versus the momentum of the Earth. In a perfect solar system (without such resistance items), the solar system is merely obeying Newton's first law.
 
And let's not forget that ol' Sol will eventually expend all of its fuel and die over the course of the next few billion years, so it doesn't even live up to the "perpetual" part of the equation.

STARTREK11 is obviously a science-illiterate preteen fanboy. Why you folks continue to indulge his wanker fantasies is beyond me...
 
Professor Moriarty said:
And let's not forget that ol' Sol will eventually expend all of its fuel and die over the course of the next few billion years, so it doesn't even live up to the "perpetual" part of the equation.

I was assuming he was referring to planetary motion, but you're right, the sun is just a fuck-off-massive nuclear fusion reactor, with a finite fuel supply. Course, he may have meant that the Sun God lasts forever.

STARTREK11 is obviously a science-illiterate preteen fanboy. Why you folks continue to indulge his wanker fantasies is beyond me...

It's kinda amusing to get his new lists of 'explain <basic scientific inaccuracy> then!!!11!one'
Plus, you know, he has connections. He'll have the whole script any day now.


:lol:
 
The Wormhole said:
Well this sounds like a betrayal of the past 41 years of Star Trek and as a result, I won't be able to see the movie, etc and so forth.

Indeed! Paramount, you've once again raped my childhood!
 
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