One of the most overlooked, in my opinion, aspects of the Klingon Empire is that they have subjugated species under them. The fact that this is almost never shown is puzzling to me. The Empire must be pretty large, and it must comprise dozens of subjugated species (just like The Romulan Empire must have), and yet, these species never play a part. I hope this will change in this series, since Klingons seems to be explored so in depth!
Will we see subjugated species to the Klingon Empire?
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Wow, I was going to make the exact same suggestion, right down to Betazed as the planet.
They say the new Klingon look is partially due to their evolutionary sensory glands on their foreheads help with hunting as they were the main predators on their worlds.
Then you have the Kelpians who can "sense death" as they evolved as the prey on their world.
Will the Kelpians end up being one of these Klingon-hunted/subjugated species?
Then you have the Kelpians who can "sense death" as they evolved as the prey on their world.
Will the Kelpians end up being one of these Klingon-hunted/subjugated species?
I'd love to see something like the old Star Fleet Universe depiction of the Klingon ships being crewed by about 60% subject races.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Fleet_Universe
About the closest we got to that in modern Trek were the Kriosians rebelling against their Klingon conquerors in TNG.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Kriosian
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Fleet_Universe
About the closest we got to that in modern Trek were the Kriosians rebelling against their Klingon conquerors in TNG.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Kriosian
Why Betazed?
I guess the Kelpians end up either subjugated or extinct by the Klingons, as they never showed up during the later shows and because of what David Mack sayed about the eight episode. Could be something bad happening to a crew member or maybe something like what i mentioned above.
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^ Just a word of warning about that last bit: Do not, under any circumstances, attempt to Google Stallone's explanation as to how the three seashells worked. 
They are one of the more famous races that we don't have any details of when first contact with them happened. Plus the telepathic abilities could make for interesting tactics against the Klingons. Also adds a layer to Worf and Troi's relationship.
If it has anything to do with a retrovirus, then I'm pretty sure it would have been better left unexplained.^ Just a word of warning about that last bit: Do not, under any circumstances, attempt to Google Stallone's explanation as to how the three seashells worked.
It'd be very cool to see some Klingon slave races.
The Suliban, introduced in Enterprise as enemies of the Klingons, and then "never seen again" after Enterprise, would be a good choice for a Klingon subject race.
I always thought they were going to be revealed as part of the Romulan Empire, the "face" of the Earth/Romulan war, so to speak. Alas, it was not to be.
FWIW, the original plan for the Suliban was to establish them in Voyager's final season as a nomad race whose homeworld was assimilated by the Borg a century ago...
I get fed up of seeing yet another 'cool' new Federation race we've never seen before or since in each new movie or each new series. Nine times out of ten they could have just added a layer of culture to one of the existing races but they like their designers to justify their existence I suppose.
Now, if those hitherto unseen races had been part of the Klingon or Romulan Empires, I would have loved it. Either they're are empires to rival the Federation or they're not. I don't see how they can be rivals if they have no subject races and/or allies. Nor should they rule solely through subjugation and fear. Many cultures would be willing to compromise for a seat at the table.
Nero would have been a far more interesting villain with a multi-racial crew of miners and a vessel that was considerably toned down in power, using advanced cloaking tech and knowledge of past events to gain revenge instead of just pew pew and 'splosions. I'm sure Discovery will be more nuanced. It's just the way current TV serials are headed.
Now, if those hitherto unseen races had been part of the Klingon or Romulan Empires, I would have loved it. Either they're are empires to rival the Federation or they're not. I don't see how they can be rivals if they have no subject races and/or allies. Nor should they rule solely through subjugation and fear. Many cultures would be willing to compromise for a seat at the table.
Nero would have been a far more interesting villain with a multi-racial crew of miners and a vessel that was considerably toned down in power, using advanced cloaking tech and knowledge of past events to gain revenge instead of just pew pew and 'splosions. I'm sure Discovery will be more nuanced. It's just the way current TV serials are headed.
I hope so too. It's virtually ignored in the Star Trek TOS movies and the TNG era, probably because it throws up uncomfortable questions regarding the Klingon-Federation peace and how they got along happily afterward.
Seriously, once you remember the Klingon Empire is made up of a multitude of brutally conquered species, ST6's ending feels much less optimistic. Unless as part of the peace the Klingon empire were expected to free them all, which I really can't see them agreeing to.
Yes, that's an interesting idea. But wouldn't we have heard some Klingon slurs and seen some hostility from Betazoids against thr Klingons even after that long time, as old grudges die hard especially with Klingon characters.
Well, Lwaxana isn't exactly complementary towards Worf, not to mention she never gets his name right.
Lwaxana Troi: Aren't you going to mingle, Mr. Woof?
Lieutenant Worf: I do not care for telepaths; they make me... uneasy.
Lwaxana Troi: Oh, don't worry. The Cairn couldn't read your thoughts even if they wanted to. Your brain isn't sophisticated enough.
Had forgotten about that. But what about the Klingons who appeared on the shows? Wouldn't we have seen some hostility from them against Betazoids?
What other Klingon-Betazoid interactions do we see? Besides, if the writers were to do something like this, it would be a retcon, so as long as there isn't anything that explicitly precludes it, it's fine.
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