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Why did Americans lose interest in space and space fiction in the mid 2000s?

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In the 90s up to the early 2000s we had TV shows set in space! Multiple Star Treks, Babylon 5, Space: Above & Beyond, Farscape, Battlestar Galactica, and Firefly!

Ever since Battlestar Galactica ended it seems like space hasn't been as big in our culture as it was in the 90s!

What happened?

Was it the recession? After all there was no money for the space shuttle!
 
I’m sharing my thoughts from the perspective of an American; People in other countries may feel differently of course, but at least in the 90s it may have been the upcoming millennium. I think there was a kind of excitement about what lies ahead in the year 2000 and beyond.

We’d won the Cold War and escaped nuclear annihilation and I think there was this blissful period of ignorance in believing that things could only get better. Shows like Star Trek and Babylon 5 played into those beliefs.
 
1) People got burnt out on spaceship shows.
2) TV series generally became more diverse and interesting, with more shows breaking the lawyer/doctor/cop mold, thereby making traditional space shows less special than they'd been before.
3) Advances in CG and other tech, along with growing budgets, meant more and better location shooting could be done. Consequently, spaceship/space station sets began to feel more cramped and dull than they had before.
4) As society became more and more demilitarized, military-ish sci-fi dramas began to feel old and musty to many.
5) The LotR films and Harry Potter began to tip genre interest toward fantasy, perhaps aided in part by a subconscious desire for quaint and simpler things post-9/11.
6) The sinister belligerence on top of deadly incompetence of the Bush Administration meant that narratives about heroic government fleets weren't quite so appealing anymore.
7) After 9/11, and given the appalling sectarian violence in Iraq and elsewhere, fictional squabbles about mostly white actors with simple makeup and prosthetic facial ridges began to seem both tame and inane.
8) People started to realize that there's just not much more to the solar system to explore. The moon is the moon, Mars is cold and barren, Pluto might not even be a planet. Ergo, spacefaring narratives lost a bit of their lustre.
9) Enterprise sucked toes. Big, smelly toes.

Just some points I brainstormed up... take your pick. :p
 
There are just as many if not more middling, great and excellent space shows for those interested in them as a category regardless of quality; it’s just that network TV and the Sci-Fi Channel/Sci Fi/Syfy/SYFY have been superseded by the much more convenient streaming model.
 
Because it's repetitious and far fewer people buy it as plausible.

Popular entertainment values a tricky combination of familiarity and novelty. For a while that will be comic books.
 
No different than when westerns stopped airing after dominating film and T.V for so long. People get tired of seeing the same thing and want something different.
 
Star Trek got old and then ended. Not only that but the Star Wars prequels also came to a end. Even after all these years I think Trek and Star Wars are kind of the leaders of space sci-fi and when they are around they inspire interest in the subject not to mention copycat shows. When they aren't the interest goes away.

Well that plus comic books all of sudden had top notch CGI to make their stuff come to life and so did fantasy so nerds now had more options.


Jason
 
Again, are we sure people aren’t thinking of broadcast TV and basic cable, both of which are on their way out anyway, as opposed to the various streaming services?
 
Shows like Star Trek Discovery, The Mandalorian, The Expanse, Pandora, Another Life, The Orville, Star Trek Picard, Doctor Who, Killjoys, Lost in Space, The 100?

I mean, how many do you need?
Indeed, I was just going to come here and post a list.
If you're not watching these shows, that's YOUR fault. (Not you Kelso, I meant anyone complaining.)

the list is even longer when you type it out this way:

The Expanse
Dark Matter
Star Trek Discovery
The Orville
Killjoys
For All Mankind
The Mandalorian
Lost in Space
Origin
Colony
The First
Nightflyers
Missions
Counterpart
Altered Carbon
Black Mirror
Twilight Zone
Love, Death + Robots
Agents of Shield
Mars
Critters A New Binge

That's just stuff that's aired in the past 2 or 3 years, but I'm sure I'm forgetting a show or four.

I liked Origin quite a bit, the spaceship setting was well utilized. Missions was decent, but wasn't there supposed to be a second season? And I love astronaut shows like For All Mankind and The First, they're reminders that going to space isn't easy, and we have to make some hard choices to do it. (But of course, we do it.)

And once again, that's just from the past few years.

And it's not even counting shows like Salvation, 8 Days, or Hard Sun, which are pretty much earth-bound shows where humans are worried about space. But if you want, that's another 3.

We're just about living in a golden age of sci-fi and space-based tv shows.
 
It is true their is some good sci-fi but of course we didn't grow up on it so it's easy to see why the old stuff is more appealing. Plus I think we as fans might be missing the days when this stuff belonged just to us and even liked that the mainstream audience wasn't into it. It was our thing while everyone else had sports and girlfriends/boyfriends etc.

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Jason
 
Assuming "mid 2000s" means 2005-ish, that was still a pretty big time for sci-fi TV. Okay, yes, Enterprise had its plug pulled that year and with it ended an eighteen year run for Star Trek, but Stargate was in its heyday, BSG and Doctor Who were just taking off. By 2007 things were dying off for space television, Stargate just said good-bye to SG-1, Atlantis was starting to struggle and about to undergo ill-advised changes to its status quo. BSG was taking a dent in its ratings and plans were put in place to begin ending the show, while the sci-fi titans Star Trek and Star Wars were basically in a period of inactivity. Interested waned, it happens. Things seem to be bouncing back now with plenty of sci-fi television to choose from, so it's all good.
 
SF has its fashions, just like anything else. There was a time when it was felt that space shows had run their course and audiences were more interested in Earthbound shows, though of course the pendulum has been swinging back toward space recently. Plus, of course, present-day Earthbound shows are less expensive to make.

But keep in mind that screen science fiction is only one subset of the genre, and it usually lags a decade or two behind trends and innovations in prose science fiction. As it happens, prose SF went through a similar cycle, but it was earlier. In the '80s and '90s, the sentiment in prose-SF circles was that space opera was an outdated, cliched genre, and the respectable stuff tended to be more near-future Earthbound genres like cyberpunk. But in the '90s and 2000s, authors like Vernor Vinge, Iain M. Banks, Alastair Reynolds, and others reinvented space opera as a more innovative, creative, and literary genre, smashing the stereotypes, and the pendulum swung back. So at the time when space-based SF was in decline on TV, it was in the midst of a renaissance in prose.
 
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Indeed, I was just going to come here and post a list.
If you're not watching these shows, that's YOUR fault. (Not you Kelso, I meant anyone complaining.)

the list is even longer when you type it out this way:

The Expanse
Dark Matter
Star Trek Discovery
The Orville
Killjoys
For All Mankind
The Mandalorian
Lost in Space
Origin
Colony
The First
Nightflyers
Missions
Counterpart
Altered Carbon
Black Mirror
Twilight Zone
Love, Death + Robots
Agents of Shield
Mars
Critters A New Binge

That's just stuff that's aired in the past 2 or 3 years, but I'm sure I'm forgetting a show or four.

I liked Origin quite a bit, the spaceship setting was well utilized. Missions was decent, but wasn't there supposed to be a second season? And I love astronaut shows like For All Mankind and The First, they're reminders that going to space isn't easy, and we have to make some hard choices to do it. (But of course, we do it.)

And once again, that's just from the past few years.

And it's not even counting shows like Salvation, 8 Days, or Hard Sun, which are pretty much earth-bound shows where humans are worried about space. But if you want, that's another 3.

We're just about living in a golden age of sci-fi and space-based tv shows.

I don't disagree with the point overall, but for clarity's sake, Black Mirror and Agents of Shield aren't really space based shows. Shield had a specific storyline in space, years into the show. And Black Mirror never got farther than a virtual reality that looked like space in a single episode.
 
Shows like Star Trek Discovery, The Mandalorian, The Expanse, Pandora, Another Life, The Orville, Star Trek Picard, Doctor Who, Killjoys, Lost in Space, The 100?

I mean, how many do you need?

Indeed, I was just going to come here and post a list.
If you're not watching these shows, that's YOUR fault. (Not you Kelso, I meant anyone complaining.)

the list is even longer when you type it out this way:

The Expanse
Dark Matter
Star Trek Discovery
The Orville
Killjoys
For All Mankind
The Mandalorian
Lost in Space
Origin
Colony
The First
Nightflyers
Missions
Counterpart
Altered Carbon
Black Mirror
Twilight Zone
Love, Death + Robots
Agents of Shield
Mars
Critters A New Binge

That's just stuff that's aired in the past 2 or 3 years, but I'm sure I'm forgetting a show or four.

I liked Origin quite a bit, the spaceship setting was well utilized. Missions was decent, but wasn't there supposed to be a second season? And I love astronaut shows like For All Mankind and The First, they're reminders that going to space isn't easy, and we have to make some hard choices to do it. (But of course, we do it.)

And once again, that's just from the past few years.

And it's not even counting shows like Salvation, 8 Days, or Hard Sun, which are pretty much earth-bound shows where humans are worried about space. But if you want, that's another 3.

We're just about living in a golden age of sci-fi and space-based tv shows.
You guys both missed Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Star and Wars: Resistance. I'm not sure if it's still on, but up until recently there was also a Guardians of the Galaxy animated series.
As for while space sci-fi went into a bit of a lull for a while, I don't think there was any deeper reason to it beyond just people losing interest.
 
I didn't notice any particular dirth of space shows during that period. Star Wars and Trek kind of ended during the period--Firefly didn't last very long, but we had Battlestar Galactica and Doctor Who going strong throughout the oughts. The Stargate Atlantis and SG-1 were very popular as well.
 
Maybe it just seems bad because of what Bonnie Hammer did and basically decided the Sci Fi channel wouldn't be about Sci-Fi and even had wrestling on it. Farscape got canned on a cliffhanger. I think that along with how Fox screwed over Firefly or Enterprise only got 4 years also at a time when it was finally becoming good,it feels bad because these shows all had bad endings maybe even unfair endings to them. Granted they did sort of give Farscape a proper goodbye in the end but at the time it was a terrible way to end a show.


Jason
 
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