Where did VGER go?

[RobertScorpio]

Before V'GER/Ilya merges with Decker, Spock suggests that VGER has reached the limit of knowledge and thus, must evolve to some higher purpose...if VGER only went to some other place in our galaxy, and then came back to Earth, how could it have possibly emassed 'universal' knowledge considering how big the known universe is....Is our galaxy THAT important that everything to be learned from traveling around it for 200 or so years? Seems kind of 'arrogant' to suggest that.

Rob
Scorpio

 

[JoeD80]

Spock suggests that VGER has reached the limit of knowledge and thus,

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how could it have possibly emassed 'universal' knowledge considering how big the known universe is....Is our galaxy THAT important that everything to be learned from traveling around it for 200 or so years?

I thought that just referred to the limit that VGER could handle, not the limit of all knowledge possible. Like trying to stuff extra data on to a hard drive that's already full. Been awhile since I've seen the movie though so I don't remember the quote exactly.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

do you think v'ger visited "god" at the centre of the universe?

 

[Herbert1]

Spock said that as V'ger amassed knowledge it became a sentient "living machine" and it began to have questions that cannot be answered by knowledge or facts--"Who am I?", "What is my purpose?" "Am I nothing more?" In the words of Spock, V'ger was empty, cold. These are metaphysical questions that are explored in philosophy, faith, and religion and are beyond the limits of knowledge. V'ger hoped to answer these questions by joining with its creator because it could not find answers to these questions by exploring the universe. It was never suggested that V'ger knew everything in the universe or had knowledge of everything. It just couldn't find the answers to its burning questions by continuing to do what it was doing . Believing that it could find these answers by merging with its creator, it decided to return to the place of its origin.

When Decker joined with V'ger, the two merged and evolved into something else. Since Trek has a long history of super evolved non- caporeal flashing light aliens, V'ger/Decker became noncaporeal flashing lights. Presumably, V'ger/Decker had answers to these questions. Perhaps it was Decker's humanity, soul, or life spirit that gave V'ger what it was lacking.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Spock said that as V'ger amassed knowledge it became a sentient "living machine" and it began to have questions that cannot be answered by knowledge or facts--"Who am I?", "What is my purpose?" "Am I nothing more?" In the words of Spock, V'ger was empty, cold. These are metaphysical questions that are explored in philosophy, faith, and religion and are beyond the limits of knowledge. V'ger hoped to answer these questions by joining with its creator because it could not find answers to these questions by exploring the universe. QUOTE]

So it wasn't that VGR had complete knowledge of the universe, it just evolved into a living being and realized it needed the ability to reach beyond logic to grasp it? I like that...

What one of our famous authors on this website needs to do (Ahem..Greg and the other) is write us a sequel...where did VGR go AFTER the Motion Picture...

Rob

 

[Christopher]

Before V'GER/Ilya merges with Decker, Spock suggests that VGER has reached the limit of knowledge and thus, must evolve to some higher purpose...if VGER only went to some other place in our galaxy, and then came back to Earth, how could it have possibly emassed 'universal' knowledge considering how big the known universe is....Is our galaxy THAT important that everything to be learned from traveling around it for 200 or so years? Seems kind of 'arrogant' to suggest that.

Well, it was only Kirk, whose information was thirdhand, who said that V'ger had travelled to the other end of the galaxy. Spock, when he was actually travelling through V'ger's databanks and observing their contents, said that V'ger had knowledge spanning the entire universe, and the images he beheld certainly seemed to encompass multiple galaxies. So I consider Spock's assessment more reliable than Kirk's.

In my TMP sequel novel Ex Machina, I established that V'ger had actually been flung back in time as well as across intergalactic space, and had actually spent millennia searching the galaxies for its Creator and evolving into the Maui-sized living cybernetic entity it became.

What one of our famous authors on this website needs to do (Ahem..Greg and the other) is write us a sequel...where did VGR go AFTER the Motion Picture...

I also addressed that in Ex Machina.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Before V'GER/Ilya merges with Decker, Spock suggests that VGER has reached the limit of knowledge and thus, must evolve to some higher purpose...if VGER only went to some other place in our galaxy, and then came back to Earth, how could it have possibly emassed 'universal' knowledge considering how big the known universe is....Is our galaxy THAT important that everything to be learned from traveling around it for 200 or so years? Seems kind of 'arrogant' to suggest that.

Well, it was only Kirk, whose information was thirdhand, who said that V'ger had travelled to the other end of the galaxy. Spock, when he was actually travelling through V'ger's databanks and observing their contents, said that V'ger had knowledge spanning the entire universe, and the images he beheld certainly seemed to encompass multiple galaxies. So I consider Spock's assessment more reliable than Kirk's.

In my TMP sequel novel Ex Machina, I established that V'ger had actually been flung back in time as well as across intergalactic space, and had actually spent millennia searching the galaxies for its Creator and evolving into the Maui-sized living cybernetic entity it became.

What one of our famous authors on this website needs to do (Ahem..Greg and the other) is write us a sequel...where did VGR go AFTER the Motion Picture...

I also addressed that in Ex Machina.

yes..CHISTOPHER, i would have named you by name but I am bad when it comes to...names.

But yes, I did read Ex Machina and that was a good book. But how about a direct sequel? What if VGR/Decker came back??? Where did they go after the movie?? I'd buy a book about his subject in a heart beat! How about VGR/Decker enounter the Titan...I have never bought a Titan book but I would buy this one.

Rob

 

[QuasarVM]

My theory: Voyager 6 probably went to the Delta Quadrant (on the way there learned lots of useless and trivial junk like "What is a quatloo", "The vast storehouse of knowledge of The Providers", "Ferengi are greedy Yankee trader aliens" etc.") -- where it wound up at the Borg homeworld -- and back (on it's way back it learned even more useless and trivial crap like "How to remove and restore a brain on Planet Sigma Draconis 6", "All humainoid life descended from one masterace", "Avoid the parasitic alien lifeforms known in the future as "bluegills", "There is a continuum known as the Q continuum", "Trelane made a playtoy out of me for awhile", etc.") to Earth as the living machine, V'ger.

 

[Christopher]

The V'ger/Decker/Ilia entity ascended to higher planes of being. I don't see it coming back to our continuum; it has too much else to explore. "Learn all that is learnable," you know.

Although it does make a cameo in one of my other Trek novels -- I don't want to spoil which one, though.

 

[QuasarVM]

The V'ger/Decker/Ilia entity ascended to higher planes of being. I don't see it coming back to our continuum; it has too much else to explore. "Learn all that is learnable," you know.

Although it does make a cameo in one of my other Trek novels -- I don't want to spoil which one, though.

Oh...you mean't where does it go at the end of ST:TMP?

Oh, well...it turned into pure consciousness and went to live with the Organians -- naturally! It can assume a physical body at will.

In fact, it went back the Borg homeworld to lecture them on the sins of collecting things...and became the Borg God. It was around this time that the Borg lost interest in acquiring things like technology and focused only on acquiring living beings to add their biological distinctiveness to the Borg.

 

[arch101]

[QUOTE.

Although it does make a cameo in one of my other Trek novels -- I don't want to spoil which one, though. [/QUOTE]


Christopher, you don't have to tell him what page, just tell him to read The Buried Age. An excellent tome. (we gotta try to sell some books here ya know )

 

[RobertScorpio]

[QUOTE.

Although it does make a cameo in one of my other Trek novels -- I don't want to spoil which one, though.

Christopher, you don't have to tell him what page, just tell him to read The Buried Age. An excellent tome. (we gotta try to sell some books here ya know )[/QUOTE]

Thanks!!!..Im on it

Rob

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

didn't Shatner relate V'Ger and the Borg somehow? like it was the birth of the Borg?

Also, did V'Ger transmit all its wonderful data to Earth? if so, it sure doesn't seem like it since Starfleet is still clueless about a lot of the galaxy (and even more so concerning the universe)

 

[cardinal biggles]

In Shatner's novel The Return, someone (Spock? Data?) puts forward the conclusion that the machine planet V'Ger reached and was revamped on was actually the Borg 'homeworld.'

Of course, that doesn't jibe with the way the Borg operate. If they encounter technology they don't have, they assimilate it. If the technology is primitive, they ignore it. So the "primitive but kindred" (I'm paraphrasing) Voyager 6 probe should have been left to go along its merry way.

Then there's also the issue of what V'Ger was looking for vs. what the Borg are looking for. V'Ger needed to bond with its maker and gain the ability to seek answers to its unanswerable questions; the Borg are simply looking to make themselves bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter.

 

[Christopher]

There's no way V'ger could be a creation of the Borg. For one thing, it was vastly more advanced and powerful than the Borg. For another, it was completely unaware that humanoids were life forms, something it certainly would've known if it had been a creation of the part-humanoid Borg.

Even the authors of The Return were aware of this, and had to throw in a handwave about there being some wildly different offshoot of the Borg somewhere. But if it was so completely different, I don't see any reason to claim it was connected to the Borg at all. That's small-universe syndrome, jumping to the conclusion that if two things have anything even slightly in common, they must share a common origin. Which just isn't logical given the vastness of the universe.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

There's a very simple explanation for Spock's surmise in The Return -- just as Vejur absorbed the Klingon battlecruisers that attacked it, at some point in the past Vejur absorbed a Borg cube (or fleet) that likewise attacked it. That would have put echoes of the Collective inside Vejur's consciousness, and that's why Spock got confused when he mind-melded with Picard.

 

[Captain Zog]

Been living in my back garden since January 1980.

 

[Maurice]

Where did V'ger go?

Disneyland!

 

[SeerSGB]

I though V'ger found god and moved to Glenoak, California

 

[omnirad]

Vejur moved in with the Traveler, adopted Wesley Crusher as their cross generational love child, but then kicked him out of trans-dimensional existence for still getting excited about the likes of 'dual warp cores' and hot engineering technicians (see Nemesis deleted scenes).

Either that, or the Vejur/Decker/God fusion resulted in the lame-ass 'God' of The Final Frontier, and that's why it wanted to get back on the Enterprise and forget the whole damned experience.

I smell some exciting fan-wank fiction here boys!