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Wesley Crusher: Starfleet's Unsung Hero or Overhyped Prodigy?

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I've been rewatching TNG and can't help but feel that Wesley Crusher doesn't get the credit he deserves. Yes, he was young and occasionally overstepped, but let's not forget the numerous times he saved the Enterprise with his ingenuity. Episodes like 'The Naked Now' and 'The Battle' showcase his quick thinking and technical prowess.

However, I know many fans found him annoying or felt he was given undue prominence. Some argue that his character was a 'Mary Sue,' solving problems too easily. But isn't that the essence of Star Trek? Celebrating individuals who excel and push the boundaries of what's possible?

What do you guys think? Was Wesley an essential part of the crew who brought a unique perspective, or did his character overshadow others unjustly?
 
He was annoying in the same way that Adric was annoying in Doctor Who. At least Doctor Who put their annoying character out of their misery.
 
One of the problems with Wesley is that he sometimes 'saves the day' not by being a genius, but by the other characters being written as much dumber than they should be. (Or out of character, or more dismissive of him than they should be so that Wesley gets some kind of false "rising above the hardship" boost.) eg: DataLore, The Game, The Naked Now, Where No One Has Gone Before.
 
I liked Wesley fine enough but he was constantly being told both to "shut up" and that he is "very special.

I think he's an ok character that grew better over time and became of my favorite characters by "First Duty." But, good grief is the hate tiresome.
 
I've been rewatching TNG and can't help but feel that Wesley Crusher doesn't get the credit he deserves. Yes, he was young and occasionally overstepped, but let's not forget the numerous times he saved the Enterprise with his ingenuity. Episodes like 'The Naked Now' and 'The Battle' showcase his quick thinking and technical prowess.

However, I know many fans found him annoying or felt he was given undue prominence. Some argue that his character was a 'Mary Sue,' solving problems too easily. But isn't that the essence of Star Trek? Celebrating individuals who excel and push the boundaries of what's possible?

What do you guys think? Was Wesley an essential part of the crew who brought a unique perspective, or did his character overshadow others unjustly?
I think that they ruined Wesley Crusher.

He was a good character and should have become what he was meant to be from the beginning.

OK, I must admit that he actually was a bit annoying sometimes. It was simply too much of "Wesley saves the day" and sometimes also too much of "Wesley mess up another of his experiments and endagers the ship" like the incident with the nanites or that time he almost exterminated his mother with that "warp bubble" project.

But he was likeable in some way too. The wonderkid bound to be a great Starfleet officer. I wish that he had developed into that.

It was actually sad that he was dumped in season 4 when he finally was about to become something. OK, logically he was out because he'd entered Starfleet Academy but they could still have had him as a main character, showing up from time to time.

He was actually very good in The Game and some other episodes too.

And then they totally ruined him!

OK, The First Duty was actually a good episode. He screwed up, but everyone can make a mistake which have worse consequences than expected. With a little help from Picard, he actually realized what was wrong and then he was brave enough to step forward andstand up for what he and his buddies had done.

Of course, he was punished for that but he could still have a great career ahead of him.

But Journey's End actually destroyed the character. I mean, he comes back to the Enterprise as a spoiled brat, behaves like an idiot and interfere in things he shouldn't have interfered in. Then he sneak off with that slimy Traveler to "explore space" in some weird mumbo-jumbo way.

And ther have been no attempts to restore the character in following movies or series. Wasn't his participation in the movie Insurrection cut before the movie was finished?

I would actually like to see Wesley return to Starfleet in some future 24th century series.

As for my own opinion of Wesley, I wasn't that fond of him in the beginning due to that "Wonderboy Wesley fixes everything" syndrome.

But when I got access to the internet and saw all the hatred which was directed at him on many forums, then I actually started to like him! I could never understand that hate.
 
Wasn't his participation in the movie Insurrection cut before the movie was finished?
I am unaware of him being in Insurrection. His main scene was cut from Nemesis though. But he is still in the film in a small capacity.

As for my own opinion of Wesley, I wasn't that fond of him in the beginning due to that "Wonderboy Wesley fixes everything" syndrome.

But when I got access to the internet and saw all the hatred which was directed at him on many forums, then I actually started to like him! I could never understand that hate.
You like him only because other people don't? That'll teach them! ;)
 
But Journey's End actually destroyed the character. I mean, he comes back to the Enterprise as a spoiled brat, behaves like an idiot and interfere in things he shouldn't have interfered in. Then he sneak off with that slimy Traveler to "explore space" in some weird mumbo-jumbo way.

And ther have been no attempts to restore the character in following movies or series. Wasn't his participation in the movie Insurrection cut before the movie was finished?
One, how does him choosing a different career path ruin the character? He just is exploring space in a different way. Two, he does come back in some of the newer shows. He's kind of a Doctor Who-esque character and traveler now.
 
On initial viewing, Wesley was as half-baked hokum as many other characters were.

The Doctor Who/Adric comparison is just, and for the same reason - clunky scripting. The actors saddled and having to elevate that if possible.

Adric was in a crowded TARDIS, was never perfect (unlike Wesley), and also got a poignant death (with great continuity to his introductory story as well.)

Wesley, once new writers and styles were brought in, improved,m and Wesley wasn't always the focal point so audiences could remember there's a whole crew there too. Season 2 alone shows a huge improvement for the character, being more than a popsicle stick who enters the scene and saves the day because all the adults couldn't figure it out (e.g. "The Dauphin", "Pen Pals", etc).The first season was all a tad caricatured but that then leads us to your main point:

Yeah, he still is an unsung hero, on conceptual hero. "The Naked Now" features everyone reacting to the virus somewhat differently (even if season One'isms predictably prevail in some cases). Riker was the only other clear-minded one and isn't an Engineering stand-in or intrigued by it the way Wesley was, so his involvement was a natural fit. Shame that Data being affected took place, much less how badly it was explained.

Maybe dialogue rewriting with Wesley being less brusque would have helped. The overall point is that the crew are procedural in their ways and Wesley is an outsider with a potentially different perspective.

Conversely, "Datalore" fumbles it so badly, by trying to make Wesley look better by dumbing down all the adults - which is as artificial as anything can get. Someone else on the forum here had a very slight rewrite idea that would not have made the adults look bad, while allowing Wesley some growth room. Something about Picard and co already being aware of Lore and faking being dumb. By that time in the season's run, enough time had passed and it would make sense - given Wesley's track record - to maybe be listened to. Instead, the adults were a bunch of dumdumbs through and through. Overlook some of those cringeworthy scenes and there's still a great episode, but such small tweaks would have made an okay episode into a fantastic one...

The goal wasn't to make Wesley insufferable, but given how season one was also trying to find itself, it just ended up that way. The ideas and cast were there, just not the smooth execution of the ideas.
 
My opinion of Wesley basically follows a bell curve, in that for the most part the longer he was part of the series the more my opinion of him improved...while I wasn't thrilled with his character's choices in "The First Duty", I could at least understand them, and I really enjoyed seeing him in "The Game" and even his cameo in "Parallels".

Then "Journey's End" came along, and it was like he'd just hit puberty or such (which I suppose he did, metaphorically speaking...), but I just couldn't swallow the "he's acting out because he's on the cusp of becoming an evolved being!" pill.
 
I couldn't stand Wesley during the first season he was way too much of a know it all and all the adults seemed to be dumb down so he could save the day. It didn't endear him to me anymore when the show got rid of Beverly but kept him during season two in my opinion they got rid of the wrong Crusher. Fortunately they did start to tone him down. He made mistakes he came across more as a team player not like move over everyone he knows it all. In fact by the time he did leave the show I was sorry to see him g
 
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I couldn't stand Wesley during the first season he was way too much of a know it all and all the adults seemed to be dumb down so he could save the day. It didn't endear him to me anymore when the show got rid of Beverly but kept him during season two in my opinion they got rid of the wrong Crusher. Fortunately they did start to tone him down. He made mistakes he came across more as a team player not like move over everyone he knows it all. In fact by the time he did leave the show I was sorry to see him g
TNG is the show that got better overall when Roddenberry passed away.
 
And ther have been no attempts to restore the character in following movies or series. Wasn't his participation in the movie Insurrection cut before the movie was finished?

I would actually like to see Wesley return to Starfleet in some future 24th century series.
These things have been out a while, but I'm gonna tag as spoilers just in case...
Wesley does nominally return in the season 2 finale of Picard. However, it's really just Wil Wheaton playing Wil Wheaton and not the character of Wesley Crusher. Also Wesley does feature rather prominently in the most recent season of Prodigy.
 
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I am unaware of him being in Insurrection. His main scene was cut from Nemesis though. But he is still in the film in a small capacity.


You like him only because other people don't? That'll teach them! ;)
He was never in Insurrection. he was supposed to be there but obviously the filmed scene with him was cut.

I was never out to teach anyone by starting to like Wesley because of all hatred. It was just a reaction I got to all that meaningless and stupid hatred against him.

I didn't hate or dislike him before that either. I found him a good character. Somewhat annoying sometimes but still good.

One, how does him choosing a different career path ruin the character? He just is exploring space in a different way. Two, he does come back in some of the newer shows. He's kind of a Doctor Who-esque character and traveler now.
That's exactly the way to ruin a Star Trek character! To come up with some over-the top mumbo jumbo instead of keeping a good character which could be better used in books and future series.

The thing I really dislike in Star Trek is the sick destructiveness some producers, writers and authorscome up with from time to time when they totally waste good characters who could be better used in future movies or books. Must be some disease.

As for Dr Who, I m not interested in such scenarios in Star Trek. I want to see Wesley Crusher as Wesley Crusher, not some Dr. Who. In that case I rather see and listen to The Who! ;)

My opinion of Wesley basically follows a bell curve, in that for the most part the longer he was part of the series the more my opinion of him improved...while I wasn't thrilled with his character's choices in "The First Duty", I could at least understand them, and I really enjoyed seeing him in "The Game" and even his cameo in "Parallels".

Then "Journey's End" came along, and it was like he'd just hit puberty or such (which I suppose he did, metaphorically speaking...), but I just couldn't swallow the "he's acting out because he's on the cusp of becoming an evolved being!" pill.
I agree. It was such a waste with all that Traveler-evolving being mumbo-jumbo. They should have made an episode in which he restored his reputation which was somewhat damaged by the events in Journey's End.

I couldn't stand Wesley during the first season he was way too much of a know it all and all the adults seemed to be dumb down so he could save the day. It didn't endear him to me anymore when the show got rid of Beverly but kept him during season two in my opinion they got rid of the wrong Crusher. Fortunately they did start to tone him down. He made mistakes he came across more as a team player not like move over everyone he knows it all. In fact by the time he did leave the show I was sorry to see him g
He actually got better up to The First Duty. But the events in Journey's End ruined the character.
 
He was never in Insurrection. he was supposed to be there but obviously the filmed scene with him was cut.
What was the scene he supposedly filmed? Michael Piller's exhaustive book on the scripting of Insurrection makes zero reference to Wesley ever being in the movie.
 
That's exactly the way to ruin a Star Trek character! To come up with some over-the top mumbo jumbo instead of keeping a good character which could be better used in books and future series.
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I'm sorry, I still don't see the ruining here. I don't quite follow at all. They just take the character in a different direction. It's not like being a Starfleet officer is the only way to be interesting.
 
What was the scene he supposedly filmed? Michael Piller's exhaustive book on the scripting of Insurrection makes zero reference to Wesley ever being in the movie.
Ooooops! My mistake!
It was not Insurrection he showed up in but Nemesis.
Obviously he showed up at Riker's and Trois wedding in that movie.

I've only watched this movie once and hardly remember that he was in it. But i do remember some post on some forum about his scene being deleted. Obviously it wasn't.

Anyway, I apologize for my mistake.


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I'm sorry, I still don't see the ruining here. I don't quite follow at all. They just take the character in a different direction. It's not like being a Starfleet officer is the only way to be interesting.
It depends on which direction a Star Trek character takes.

I could accept if he had joined the Maquis or something like that. But I find it hard to accept when good characters who could be better used in future books or series are turned into some super-natural beings or other similar mumbo-jumbo things or turned into shoe salesmen, ostrich farmers, some recluse has-been in some Irish castle or boring old farts living boring lives when they could be used better in books or series.

I think that Wesley could have become a good Starfleet officer and it's sad that certain powers never allowed him to become that.
 
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