Was Seska also an undercover Romulan known as Sub-Commander T'Rul?

[marsh8472]

I noticed in Deep Space Nine episode "The Search" that the Romulan, Sub-Commander T'Rul, seemed similar to Seska. The facial features and voice sounded very much like Seska's actually. I think if Seska were changed into a Romulan she could pass herself off as T'Rul in any event.

The main issue with this theory is that Voyager episode "Caretaker" occurs on stardate 48315.6 and DS9 episode "The Search" occurs on stardate 48212.4. That does not give her much time between going from an undercover Romulan to an undercover Maquis. Plus Janeway says in episode "State of Flux" that Seska was in the Maquis for the last 2 years.

However we've seen in episodes of Star Trek that performing a species change operation does not take very long at all like Dukat from a Cardassian to a Bajorian or Kirk from a Human to a Romulan does not take long. It's conceivable that she also had time to work a second job as the Romulan Sub-Commander T'Rul. Or is it just a coincidence that they both have similar features and both happened to be in the same area at the same time?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

There is absolutely no reason on God's green earth to suspect that Seska and T'Rul are, in-universe, the same person. Just the same actor.

I mean, you wouldn't seriously think that the 14 or so characters played by Vaughn Armstrong are all the same, would you? Then there's no reason to do it here, either.

 

[Nerys Myk]

This means Tuvok was undercover as two different mercenaries: the Klingon T'Kar and the human Devor.

 

[φ of π]

OMG! Lenara Kahn was assimilated and became a Borg Queen!

 

[marsh8472]

There is absolutely no reason on God's green earth to suspect that Seska and T'Rul are, in-universe, the same person. Just the same actor.

I mean, you wouldn't seriously think that the 14 or so characters played by Vaughn Armstrong are all the same, would you? Then there's no reason to do it here, either.

But I just gave you a few reasons to believe it... Seska has a history of being a spy by modifying her appearance. If she were a romulan, would she not use a different name and look just like T'Rul? Why were they both in the bajorian sector at about the same time? And why does T'Rul never make an in-canon appearance again after Voyager is lost in the delta quadrant?

 

[Tracy Trek]

And why does T'Rul never make an in-canon appearance again after Voyager is lost in the delta quadrant?

Because the actress was busy shooting the episodes of Voyager she was in.

 

[Nerys Myk]

l? Why were they both in the bajorian sector at about the same time?

Reminds of the sitcom plot where a character has two dates on the same night. I picture Seska going back and forth as a Romulan and Bajoran while trying to get info from two sources.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Seska's specific mission was to infiltrate the Maquis. I don't see any reason to think she (or the Cardassians in general) would have anything to do with the Romulans.

And like I said...Martha Hackett is hardly the first actor to play multiple roles in Trek. Why should we be looking for connections where there don't have to be any?

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

But I just gave you a few reasons to believe it...

No, you didn't. Same actress, different roles. You're the only one confused on the matter.

 

[marsh8472]

The question is still logically sound. Remember this episode where Sisko changed himself into a Klingon...

MARTOK: Come forward, Jodmos, son of Kobor.
(Sisko puts the remote away, Worf puts his hand on his disruptor handle.)
GOWRON: Glory to you and your house.
(Sisko receives the medal and walks away to trigger the emitters, when Martok hits him from behind with a bat'leth.)
MARTOK: Captain Benjamin Sisko. I knew I recognised that face. Seal the room! It seems we have some uninvited guests.


I'm just doing what they did. If someone changes their appearance you can usually tell it's still them by looking at their face.

 

[gamer1]

The question is not logically sound what so ever. Star Trek is known for having the same actor pop up with different prostethic. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

 

[marsh8472]

The question is not logically sound what so ever. Star Trek is known for having the same actor pop up with different prostethic. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

From an in-canon point of view it makes sense though. Like the way they saw Sela but identified her as Tasha because of her face

O'BRIEN: Captain, I'm picking up something directly ahead. Romulan ship decloaking. Shall I raise shields?
PICARD: Not yet.
O'BRIEN: They're hailing us, sir.
PICARD: On screen. Tasha?
SELA [on viewscreen]: No, Captain. I am Commander Sela. The woman you knew as Tasha Yar was my mother. Deploying an invasion fleet along our border is a clear act of aggression, Captain. It will not be tolerated. You have twenty hours to recall your ships and return peacefully to Federation territory.

[Observation lounge]

PICARD: So you believe her, Counsellor?
TROI: I'm not saying we should accept her claim at face value, but I sensed no deception from her. She really believes she is the daughter of Tasha Yar.
CRUSHER: Regardless of what she believes, Sela can't be her daughter. I've reviewed all of Tasha's medical records, and there is no indication that she was ever pregnant.
PICARD: Besides, Tasha was a child when this woman was born.
TROI: Sela could have been cloned.
CRUSHER: Or had her appearance surgically altered.
PICARD: But why? What possible advantage could there be to the Romulans? As this now stands, I don't think this will have any impact on our strategy. We'll continue the blockade, leave the next move to them. Thank you.

 

[Voth commando1]

Had Voyager been lost yet when T'Rul and the federation went off galloping through the gamma quadrant?

 

[Prax]

I noticed in Deep Space Nine episode "The Search" that the Romulan, Sub-Commander T'Rul, seemed similar to Seska. The facial features and voice sounded very much like Seska's actually. I think if Seska were changed into a Romulan she could pass herself off as T'Rul in any event.

The main issue with this theory is that Voyager episode "Caretaker" occurs on stardate 48315.6 and DS9 episode "The Search" occurs on stardate 48212.4. That does not give her much time between going from an undercover Romulan to an undercover Maquis. Plus Janeway says in episode "State of Flux" that Seska was in the Maquis for the last 2 years.

However we've seen in episodes of Star Trek that performing a species change operation does not take very long at all like Dukat from a Cardassian to a Bajorian or Kirk from a Human to a Romulan does not take long. It's conceivable that she also had time to work a second job as the Romulan Sub-Commander T'Rul. Or is it just a coincidence that they both have similar features and both happened to be in the same area at the same time?

I can see that the voters here aren't much fun at parties.

Yeah, you know the truth of the matter is much deeper. Seska is actually a human. She works for an interplanetary intelligence network that has no name. In fact, we don't even know Seska's real name. Janeway, when deleting all of Seska's access codes, discovered a diary. The password was mh22161alpha. What Janeway saw in that diary.....we will never know. Not even Chakotay had a high enough security clearance to read it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Looking at Memory Alpha, the timelines don't work. Seska was already undercover with the Maquis when T'Rul was assigned to the Defiant.

 

[Voth commando1]

I can see that the voters here aren't much fun at parties.

Yeah, you know the truth of the matter is much deeper. Seska is actually a human. She works for an interplanetary intelligence network that has no name. In fact, we don't even know Seska's real name. Janeway, when deleting all of Seska's access codes, discovered a diary. The password was mh22161alpha. What Janeway saw in that diary.....we will never know. Not even Chakotay had a high enough security clearance to read it.

A secret organization guiding the history of the universe perhaps? Maybe Project GENE? Or the intermediaries in the cult of Q?

 

[Voth commando1]

From an in-canon point of view it makes sense though. Like the way they saw Sela but identified her as Tasha because of her face

O'BRIEN: Captain, I'm picking up something directly ahead. Romulan ship decloaking. Shall I raise shields?
PICARD: Not yet.
O'BRIEN: They're hailing us, sir.
PICARD: On screen. Tasha?
SELA [on viewscreen]: No, Captain. I am Commander Sela. The woman you knew as Tasha Yar was my mother. Deploying an invasion fleet along our border is a clear act of aggression, Captain. It will not be tolerated. You have twenty hours to recall your ships and return peacefully to Federation territory.

[Observation lounge]

PICARD: So you believe her, Counsellor?
TROI: I'm not saying we should accept her claim at face value, but I sensed no deception from her. She really believes she is the daughter of Tasha Yar.
CRUSHER: Regardless of what she believes, Sela can't be her daughter. I've reviewed all of Tasha's medical records, and there is no indication that she was ever pregnant.
PICARD: Besides, Tasha was a child when this woman was born.
TROI: Sela could have been cloned.
CRUSHER: Or had her appearance surgically altered.
PICARD: But why? What possible advantage could there be to the Romulans? As this now stands, I don't think this will have any impact on our strategy. We'll continue the blockade, leave the next move to them. Thank you.

And so the Klingon War verse was forgotten.

 

[Prax]

A secret organization guiding the history of the universe perhaps? Maybe Project GENE? Or the intermediaries in the cult of Q?

They can even control the outcome of the Superbowl.....

 

[Lynx]

A-ha!

There's an interesting twist in the tale which must be further investigated!

I've sometimes toyed with the idea that the Seska on Voyager was some Cardassian duplicate of the real Bajoran Seska who was either killed off by the Cardassians or remains a prisoner on some secret Cardassian prison planet.

But this one's better! A Romulan spy who has been changed to a Cardassian who has been changed to a Bajoran who ends up on a lost Starfleet ship in the Delta Quadrant and then ends up with the Kazon who I think can be distant cousins to the Klingon.

Now what an interesting scenario.

 

[Lynx]

They can even control the outcome of the Superbowl.....

Or the Stanley Cup!