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USS Relativity NCV-474439.....-G?

bryce

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Something I have always wondered about the USS Relativity, the timeship from the 29th century we met in Voyager, is the history of the ships name Relativity, given the high registry number *and* the "G" after it.

Obviously it had a lot of predecessors it was namesake to.

The registry number...NCV-474439-G it's already awfully high. 23rd century ships had 4 digit registry numbers, and 24th century ships had 5 digit numbers, so, what, 6 digit registry codes like the Relativity's would have likey come into use in the 25th century, at the earliest...?

(Of course, you don't need to keep adding digits like that, even with only 4 digits you could have 9999 possible combinations. But maybe the extra digit has come to signify what century ships were first constructed in.)

Anyway, then you ad the "G", it implies that there were *7* previous Relativity's. The original, and then A - F.

Now, that's no problem because you have 4 centuries between the 25th and the 29th. Almost 5 if you go fromt he start of the 25th to the end of the 29th. That's plenty of time to go through all those letters. We already are up to the Enterprise-E by the late 24th century.

But...with a name like Relativity, does that imply that all the previous Relativity's were timeships...?

Because if THAT were the case...then if time travel starships were a new thing in the 29th century, then the previous Relativity's were even unluckier and more short lived then the Enterprises!

I imagine time travel was a dangerous business. Though if you have a tame traveling starship...wouldn't you be able to foresee and prevent you own destruction...?

Then again, apparently the Federation an Starfleet had regular use of time travel in the 29th thru the 31st centuries (according to Voyager and Enterprise)...but somehow couldn't predict the fall of the of the Federation by the 32nd century (according to Discovery.) Unless it was some kind of conflict ala Enterprise's Temporal Cold War (but a Hot War version) and the devastation Discovery encounters in the 32nd century is a result f meddling in the past. Perhaps somehow created when Discovery itself disappear from the original timeline. Maybe Discovery will have to go back to prevent it.

But I get feeling that Discovery isn't going to get back, and is intended by the writers not too, given what happened in the last episode of the 2nd season that seemed to try and offer a (lame) reason why in later times their was no mention of Spock having a sister, or of something called a "spore drive".)

Plus, Discovery also shows that Starfleet - or at least Section 31 - had a time crystal powered time travel Iron Man suit in the mid 23rd century, but I'm guessing that tech was somehow shoved away like the spore drive was, put in a crate in a big warehouse somewhere, to be studied by...top men.

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We don't know what registry numbers really mean. For example, the original intent for the Enterprise NCC-1701 was that she was the 1st build of the 17th class of Starship. Or perhaps the first 3 digits are timeline area codes.

The G could even indicate number of temporal duplicates in operation, or number of times alternates have been merged before being pressed back into service.

Remember that "NX" on NX-01 Enterprise doesn't mean "experimental" as on Excelsior, Prometheus and others but as the classname of the ship, NX-class. Meanings change over time.
 
Like you say, time travel can be a dangerous business. The first 6 Relativitys could have been lost in rapid succession (think Babylons 1-4, only faster).

Maybe using a different name would have been better. Relativity could've been their equivalent to being a redshirt.

Could be like those old ladies who name dog after dog the same and pretend it's the same dog.
 
As for the registry numbers: the Federation could have grown massively between the 24th and the 29th century. Then they'd probably need more ships than in the 24th century , too.

Then, 500 years is a lot of time, and practices such as naming conventions could have changed for all we know. After all, we still have the same naval traditions that were already in place in 1519 (or 1619) in that exact form, right? I like the idea of G denoting something like temporal duplicates or times alternate histories were merged.

Also, time travel isn't exactly new in the 29th century. At least, if that 26th century pod of "Rasmussen" was genuinely from 26th century Earth.
 
Registry numbers are not strictly sequential or chronological. But there may be rough trends.

Say, the 2240s-2260s was generally the time of NCC-16XX to NCC-18XX.
NCC-20XX after the year 2285.
NCC-20XXX in the first half of the 24th century (latter Excelsior-class ships, and the Ambassador class).
NCC-60XXX in the 2360s, NCC-70XXX in the 70s, and NCC-80XXX in the late 70s/early 80s (USS Titan, USS Aventine).
So, seemingly 10.000 units per decade, give or take.
STO has the NCC-90XXX-onwards range from the 2390s and into the 2410s. If we assume the pattern follows roughly, we enter the range of NCC-100 000 around the early 25th century.

The dedication plaque says the Relativity is the seventh or eighth ship to bear the name. The registry would indicate that all these Relativities carried the same registry number, plus suffix. Does that mean that Starfleet never launched a USS Relativity before the commissioning of the USS Relativity NCV-474439?

And noting the NCV registry - is it a variant, like Federation Starfleet's NX to NCC, or does it run parallel and there was an NCV-01?
 
There are 100,000 different possible registries if you have five digits. No chance they'll run out anytime soon, so it doesn't follow that a six digit one would follow in the next century.

As for the G -- it's relativity! (Einstein tensor or Newton's constant, take your pick). :vulcan:
 
As for the G -- it's relativity! (Einstein tensor or Newton's constant, take your pick). :vulcan:
How did I not get that until now *facepalm*

Which of course ties into registry numbers being Easter Eggs, birthdays, dates related to the name, phone numbers etc.
 
Does the relativity exist inside space time? Or do the crews give up their family and friends to live in the God plane and decide everyone's fate?
 
Does the relativity exist inside space time? Or do the crews give up their family and friends to live in the God plane and decide everyone's fate?

It looks like the ship does indeed exist in normal spacetime. They only travel in time when necessary.
 
Relativity's dedication plaque says it's the seventh ship to bear the name, though that'd a bit problematic itself. Since G is the seventh letter of the alphabet, that would mean the first Relativity was NCV-474439-A as opposed to plain old NCV-474439.
 
The Relativity D was damnatio memoriae.

Literally.

Time travel accident
 
Remember that "NX" on NX-01 Enterprise doesn't mean "experimental" as on Excelsior, Prometheus and others but as the classname of the ship, NX-class. Meanings change over time.
It would have been interesting if when the 02 (Columbia?) launched it had been ncc 02 and enterprise got changed to ncc 01
 
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