TV Ratings (Thursday & Friday 4th/5th November

[mswood]

By that logic CW needs to give LUX a 3rd season...I mean it is doing better than Melrose Place did last year and MP got a full season and LUX is only getting a 13 before it ends it's second season.

I don't see Fringe getting another season.

Melrose didn't get a full season. It got I believe 18 episodes, full season is 22. The reason it got that is you need to remember that the CW was already working the season down two full hours, with Top Model having an encore and Beautiful Life (or whatever it was) failing miserable and getting canned after two or three episodes. This year, Lux is the only out and out failure (though Nikita and Hellcats are getting closer to that mark).

 

[mswood]

I think Fringe is fine. If they didn't have faith in it, they wouldn't put it against three Top 25 shows.

Or you could say that Fox is putting a show they have no vested interest in (they don't make the show, unlike almost every other show on Fox) in a slot that if it fails it doesn't hurt them in anyway off network. Which is where the real profit is generated.

 

[mswood]

When Fringe gets canceled no one will be picking it up, unless WB wants to stick it on Fridays with Supernatural just to get more DVD movie.

Fox doesn't need to stick Fringe in the death slot, that's just stupid! Hell's Kitchen would probably get the same ratings as it does now with the episodes airing on Thursday at 9pm.

Fringe is far, far to expensive to be licensed to the CW. While some shows will offer sizable reductions to get a broadcast network to broadcast it, Fringe would do extremely poorly on Friday with the CW, and need to be almost given for peanuts, I don't know if it would be worth it. One would have to really know how well its overseas profits are (and lately almost all US exports haven't been generated the amounts they used to), or how much they see a cable syndication package to be worth.

 

[mswood]

Doesn't Fringe win a key demographic? As I recall, Anna Torv is Rupert Murdoch's niece.

No Fringe doesn't win any demo graphics. WHile it does younger and more male then most shows on at 9pm, the Office still bests it in men 18-34, which is Fringe's strongest demo.

Remember though this week's episode was also (after World Series) last years lowest rated episode delivering a worse 1.7 in adults. So don't read doom and gloom from just one week's rating.

 

[bigdaddy]

And how many years can Fringe go on a 1.8 rating?

Also we were pretty gloomy about it last year, but hoped Fox cared enough about it to move it. They didn't.

 

[mswood]

Oh and since i love dogging Nikita. Nikita which started out as the 2nd most popular show this season on the CW. Is now placed 5th for its season average with VD, Top Model, Smallville and Supernatural all having a higher adult 18-49 season average (amazing that both Friday shows beat it).

LAst week it ties with Hellcats as the 2nd lowest adult 18-49 performer, with only the cancelled Lux performer worse then those two.

And in the more important adults 18-34 (it is the CW) it matched its season low number and every show beat it except for the already cancelled Lux. Then the specific target demo of women 18-34 that the CW seeks, every single show beat Nikita. Even Smallville (the show that has the smallest percentage female audience) and it airs on the least watched night that the CW programs.

And those numbers tied previous lows for the show.

Nikitas average numbers are only above average for the CW due to its having two strong weeks before the regular season started. So unless its numbers improve or the rest of the lineup starts dropping at a faster rate, I don't think you should expect Nikita to have a season 2.

 

[mswood]

And how many years can Fringe go on a 1.8 rating?

Also we were pretty gloomy about it last year, but hoped Fox cared enough about it to move it. They didn't.

Well lucky this year that Fox's new programming, how shall we put it...sucked in ratings.

But with 3 confirmed new hours already off the board. Fox is going to have a lot less slots to feel. And Fringe I believe the only scripted show on Fox that is produced by a different parent company. Meaning they wont save Fox for any form of off network profits.

I wouldn't be surprised to see it cancelled or held for a midseason run.

 

[Jetfire]

By that logic CW needs to give LUX a 3rd season...I mean it is doing better than Melrose Place did last year and MP got a full season and LUX is only getting a 13 before it ends it's second season.

I don't see Fringe getting another season.

Melrose didn't get a full season. It got I believe 18 episodes, full season is 22. The reason it got that is you need to remember that the CW was already working the season down two full hours, with Top Model having an encore and Beautiful Life (or whatever it was) failing miserable and getting canned after two or three episodes. This year, Lux is the only out and out failure (though Nikita and Hellcats are getting closer to that mark).

It sucks because LUX is better than GG, 90210 & OTH combined. & 18 eps is better than 13.

 

[mswood]

By that logic CW needs to give LUX a 3rd season...I mean it is doing better than Melrose Place did last year and MP got a full season and LUX is only getting a 13 before it ends it's second season.

I don't see Fringe getting another season.

Melrose didn't get a full season. It got I believe 18 episodes, full season is 22. The reason it got that is you need to remember that the CW was already working the season down two full hours, with Top Model having an encore and Beautiful Life (or whatever it was) failing miserable and getting canned after two or three episodes. This year, Lux is the only out and out failure (though Nikita and Hellcats are getting closer to that mark).

It sucks because LUX is better than GG, 90210 & OTH combined. & 18 eps is better than 13.

While I was pleasantly surprised by LUX first season, I hated the first two episode of its 2nd. It destroyed any good will I had towards the show and in my book became no better then GG, OTH, and 90210 (which at least has gotten some critical praise for improving the type of material it shows, of which I could care less).

But on a practical side I don't feel bad for Lux, in less then 20 episodes, it'e been tried on several points of the CW schedule and at different times, and has spent several weeks in each spot (so it was random one week here one week there). They have given a show that really never had much of an audience a chance to find one.

And frankly you should count yourself very lucky to get those 13 episodes. If the CW's development slate was any stronger it wouldn't have been picked up this year at all, as its numbers last year, especially in younger adults demos were poor at best. And when you are a niche market you need the biggest possible bang for each viewer, and young adults pay better then any other age demo.

 

[bigdaddy]

And how many years can Fringe go on a 1.8 rating?

Also we were pretty gloomy about it last year, but hoped Fox cared enough about it to move it. They didn't.

Well lucky this year that Fox's new programming, how shall we put it...sucked in ratings.

But with 3 confirmed new hours already off the board. Fox is going to have a lot less slots to feel. And Fringe I believe the only scripted show on Fox that is produced by a different parent company. Meaning they wont save Fox for any form of off network profits.

I wouldn't be surprised to see it cancelled or held for a midseason run.

Actually there are 4 hours being taken, The X Factor and Terra Nova, unless that bombs, then House and Bones. So Fox will want a few new shows, so they only really have like 1-2 slots open.

 

[Captain Craig]

And how many years can Fringe go on a 1.8 rating?

Also we were pretty gloomy about it last year, but hoped Fox cared enough about it to move it. They didn't.

Who knows. Chuck is still around after all. That's been a bubble show at the end of every year. Heroes also went 2 seasons past its due date.

 

[Jax]

Heroes ratings weren't bad until midway through season 3 though creative wise it went 2 seasons past its date.

 

[bigdaddy]

Should have kept L&O too, but they didn't

NCIS: Hawaii's issue is that (it sucks) the ratings are falling and Castle is beating it, it's doomed.

 

[mswood]

Thanks I didn't know that X-Factor was confirmed as three hours. THough it indeed makes things worse for Fringe fans.