TOS-Hawaii Five 0

[RobertScorpio]

Once Again, I saw the most interesting HAWAII FIVE-0 that had, as stars and guest stars, a very STAR TREK feel to it...

Jack Lord (Rumored to be Kirk/April or whoever, at one point) is, of course, the star of Five-0.

The dude who played Stonn and the Romulan officer in AMOK TIME and BALANCE OF TERROR was in this episode

and Kirk's THRALL trainer in whatever crazy episode that was called...

And..on top of that???

Monte Markham. The whacko TRADITIONALIST from DS9's awful episode on Risa....

All these people in ONE episode of Hawaii Five-0..

Not to mention the fact that FIVE-0's legendary opening credits sequence was created by DS9 director Reza Badiyi!!!

Rob

 

[Brannigan]

Also dont forget Jack Lord was the original Felix Leiter in James Bond, playing him in Dr. No. So maybe its TOS-Hawaii Five O-07

 

[Forbin]

It's fun watching both 5-0 and Mission: Impossible I try to watch an ep of both on the weekend). There are very often Trek actors, and some episodes have a veritable cavalcade of Trek actors in them.

 

[Ward Fowler]

Once Again, I saw the most interesting HAWAII FIVE-0 that had, as stars and guest stars, a very STAR TREK feel to it...

Jack Lord (Rumored to be Kirk/April or whoever, at one point) is, of course, the star of Five-0.

The dude who played Stonn and the Romulan officer in AMOK TIME and BALANCE OF TERROR was in this episode

and Kirk's THRALL trainer in whatever crazy episode that was called...

And..on top of that???

Monte Markham. The whacko TRADITIONALIST from DS9's awful episode on Risa....

All these people in ONE episode of Hawaii Five-0..

Not to mention the fact that FIVE-0's legendary opening credits sequence was created by DS9 director Reza Badiyi!!!

Rob

I don't remember that one. What was the plot?

 

[RobertScorpio]

Once Again, I saw the most interesting HAWAII FIVE-0 that had, as stars and guest stars, a very STAR TREK feel to it...

Jack Lord (Rumored to be Kirk/April or whoever, at one point) is, of course, the star of Five-0.

The dude who played Stonn and the Romulan officer in AMOK TIME and BALANCE OF TERROR was in this episode

and Kirk's THRALL trainer in whatever crazy episode that was called...

And..on top of that???

Monte Markham. The whacko TRADITIONALIST from DS9's awful episode on Risa....

All these people in ONE episode of Hawaii Five-0..

Not to mention the fact that FIVE-0's legendary opening credits sequence was created by DS9 director Reza Badiyi!!!

Rob

I don't remember that one. What was the plot?

It was from the fifth season..Markham plays this guy who wants to get his boss in trouble, and swindle his company..THRALL lady plays his bosses's wife...STONN plays Marham's messenger who negotiates some kind of deal with McGarrett.

Rob

 

[Ward Fowler]

^ It still isn't coming to mind, but I'll check it out.

 

[RobertScorpio]

^ It still isn't coming to mind, but I'll check it out.

Here today, Gone tonight....thats the title..

Rob

 

[Ward Fowler]

Thanks. Appreciate it.

 

[Dusty Ayres]

It's fun watching both 5-0 and Mission: Impossible-I try to watch an ep of both on the weekend). There are very often Trek actors, and some episodes have a veritable cavalcade of Trek actors in them.

Not only Mission: Impossible, but Mannix has Trek actors in it, too-Logan Ramsey appeared in one episode ('Make It Like It Never Happened') along with Phillip Pine. Both were on Star Trek-Ramsey as the Magna Roma Proconsul in 'Bread & Circuses' and Pine as Col. Green in 'The Savage Curtain'.

 

[A beaker full of death]

I seem to recall Ricardo Montalban playing an Asian in Hawaii 5-0

 

[Steve67]

Let's also not forget* that William Shatner appeared as Texas private investigator Sam Tolliver in the fifth season Five-O episode, You Don't Have to Kill to Get Rich, but It Helps.







*As if we could!

 

[Forbin]

I seem to recall Ricardo Montalban playing an Asian in Hawaii 5-0

Yes, he was a rich Japanese businessman.

Also, Mark Lenard played a reactivated Japanese sleeper agent, complete with ninja pajamas and awkwardly fake karate. His attempt at a Japanese speech pattern sounded more like badly attempted American Indian.

Both of them wore horribly obvious fake epicanthic eyepieces, and neither of them looked remotely convincing.

It seemed to be required at the time to cast non-Asians in important Asian roles and put them in bad makeup, but it was okay to cast Asians in support roles.

Ah, the 60s!

 

[RobertScorpio]

Let's also not forget* that William Shatner appeared as Texas private investigator Sam Tolliver in the fifth season Five-O episode, You Don't Have to Kill to Get Rich, but It Helps.







*As if we could!

and,according to James McCarther, Lord would not appear in any scene with Shatner due to comments Shatner said about lord during Star Trek production regarding Lord's demand to star in STAR TREK

Rob

 

[Dusty Ayres]

I seem to recall Ricardo Montalban playing an Asian in Hawaii 5-0

Yes, he was a rich Japanese businessman.

Also, Mark Lenard played a reactivated Japanese sleeper agent, complete with ninja pajamas and awkwardly fake karate. His attempt at a Japanese speech pattern sounded more like badly attempted American Indian.

Both of them wore horribly obvious fake epicanthic eyepieces, and neither of them looked remotely convincing.

It seemed to be required at the time to cast non-Asians in important Asian roles and put them in bad makeup, but it was okay to cast Asians in support roles.

Ah, the 60s!

No wonder that websites/blogs like these don't hold old TV shows like this in such high regard.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I seem to recall Ricardo Montalban playing an Asian in Hawaii 5-0

Yes, he was a rich Japanese businessman.

Also, Mark Lenard played a reactivated Japanese sleeper agent, complete with ninja pajamas and awkwardly fake karate. His attempt at a Japanese speech pattern sounded more like badly attempted American Indian.

Both of them wore horribly obvious fake epicanthic eyepieces, and neither of them looked remotely convincing.

It seemed to be required at the time to cast non-Asians in important Asian roles and put them in bad makeup, but it was okay to cast Asians in support roles.

Ah, the 60s!

No wonder that websites/blogs like these don't hold old TV shows like this in such high regard.

Well..I think FIVE 0 holds up just fine.

Rob

 

[Dusty Ayres]

Yes, he was a rich Japanese businessman.

Also, Mark Lenard played a reactivated Japanese sleeper agent, complete with ninja pajamas and awkwardly fake karate. His attempt at a Japanese speech pattern sounded more like badly attempted American Indian.

Both of them wore horribly obvious fake epicanthic eyepieces, and neither of them looked remotely convincing.

It seemed to be required at the time to cast non-Asians in important Asian roles and put them in bad makeup, but it was okay to cast Asians in support roles.

Ah, the 60s!

No wonder that websites/blogs like these don't hold old TV shows like this in such high regard.

Well..I think FIVE 0 holds up just fine.

Rob

Only to you. Not to people of colour.

 

[RobertScorpio]

No wonder that websites/blogs like these don't hold old TV shows like this in such high regard.

Well..I think FIVE 0 holds up just fine.

Rob

Oh...the ignorance of humanity...

I am white, and i am married to a beautiful black woman. I know first hand the racist feelings that some people, though certainly only a small minority in Japan have towards blacks because i saw it first hand...Some of their TV shows in the 60s-70s were, well, quite interesting as well, especially as to how Koreans were featured...so, my point is, racism on TV is not only an American creation.

Rob

 

[Forbin]

Well, 5-0's stories hold up well. I'm enjoying the hell out of the stories and the scenery and the acting (and the classic cars and the hot 60s/70s chicks). But yes, you do have to take the attitude of the times with a pound or two of salt.

I think Lord truly supported local talent and didn't have a prejudiced bone in his body. But somewhere along the line - studio policy? If there was a major part, they'd cast American, Italian, Mexican, what have you actors in bad makeup as Asians. Minor parts, no problem! And on rare occasions, they actually broke down and cast a major Asian star like James Hong in a major role. But it was rare.

 

[Brannigan]

In 1965, Jack Lord was considered for the role of Captain Kirk on Star Trek; the role ultimately went to William Shatner. Because Lord wanted to co-produce and have a percentage in ownership of the series, he was ultimately rejected by both Gene Roddenberry and Desilu Studios.- I didnt know this. from http://http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/allies/leiter.php3?t=dn&s=dn&id=02393

 

[Christopher]

It seemed to be required at the time to cast non-Asians in important Asian roles and put them in bad makeup, but it was okay to cast Asians in support roles.

I've seen it done a few times on Mission: Impossible. There was one where Rollin Hand (Martin Landau) was passing himself off as a mystic from an imaginary country analogous to Nepal or Tibet or thereabouts, and the extent of his makeup was that some extra hair was added to the underside of his eyebrows to make them slant more (not the eyes, just the eyebrows). And I just saw one the other day where Paris (Leonard Nimoy) was playing an implicitly Chinese official with no prosthetic makeup at all, just a slicked-back hairstyle and a really bad (though mercifully understated) faux-Chinese accent. I guess they were thinking that since Nimoy's eyes are rather heavy-lidded and narrow to begin with, all he had to do was squint a little to pass as Chinese by '60s standards.

But at least in both those cases, they were trying to pass themselves off as Asian to Western observers. It's almost possible to believe that those Western characters would've been just as clueless about ethnicity as '60s TV audiences and would've bought the impersonations. The most ridiculous case was an episode where Paris successfully impersonated a Japanese man in Japan. All the Japanese guest characters were played by genuine Asian actors, but somehow Paris was supposedly able to convince them he was Japanese just by putting on fake epicanthic folds. (Though I don't know why they thought Nimoy needed eye makeup to play Japanese but not Chinese.)