TNG Rewatch: 7x14 - "Sub Rosa"

[Trekker4747]

We open at a grave-side ceremony being held where Dr. Crusher is delivering a eulogy for the deceased, her grandmother, she speaks fondly of her grandmother, the life she lived, and healing she offered on the colony before biding her a farewell. An alien pastor (or equivalent) comes up and gives the closing comments as "Nana's" coffin is lowered into the grave. The funeral attendees leave the graveside, tossing fistfuls of dirt onto the coffin as they pass, one man tossing down a flower. Beverly, standing nearby, looks up and see that it was from a young, handsome, man.

The colony is the results of an early terraforming project and now serves as a Scottish colony where residents dress in traditional Scottish clothing, have traditional Scottish architecture, the look and environment of the place Picard says feels like the real Scottish Highlands and the colonists even go so far as to act and behave in offensive Scottish stereotypes.

Beverly asks Troi if she had noticed the young man at the service and mentions how he tossed down one of her grandmother's favorite flowers. Troi suspects he may have just been a close friend. Beverly points out it'd be a very personal gesture; but quickly dismisses the incident and asks Troi to join her back to her grandmother's house to finish cleaning it out.

Picard walks with the "pastor" from earlier who turns out to be the colony's governor/head who inquires on when Picard and the Enterprise plan on leaving. Picard says it'll be in a few hours, but the governor asks if they can stay a bit longer to inspect some of the colony's aging technology to ensure everything is in working order. Picard thinks it'll be fine if they remain for a few more days to ensure the colony's technology is okay.

Picard notes the governor isn't Scottish (or human) and asks how he came to be part of the colony, the alien recounts a time when his family visited Scotland on Earth and he was so en-rapt by the culture there he felt as if he had come home. He felt the need to be a part of this colony and to adopt a comical Scottish accent in order to seal the deal. (Or the Universal Translator has an odd sense of humor.)

Beverly and Troi arrive at Nana's home to look over things, Beverly tends to -sigh- a fire in the fireplace while Troi looks at some artifacts around the home, noting a framed picture of Beverly with her grandmother. Troi notes Nana's striking green eyes, something Beverly says all Howard (her maiden name) women have; except for Beverly and her mother.

So.... not all Howard women at all, I guess.

Troi asks some questions about Beverly's mother (who apparently died when Beverly was young) before noticing a handled candlecup burning noting how beautiful the unremarkable piece of tin is. Beverly says it's a generations-old family heirloom and remembers sitting with her Nana, only it burning, and being told ghost stories. (Because, see, candlelight, and the Scottish.)

Troi leaves Crusher to her thoughts and emotions. Beverly, sitting in a chair by the fireplace, paws through some items on the end table and picks up her grandmother's journal and glances inside where her grandmother apparently wrote in perfect elvish script. She wraps herself in a shawl and walks upstairs while reading the journal. Just as she's not even half-way up the steps a colonist walks in through the front door with a scowl and an almost half-pedo mustache. I think we're supposed to take him as something of a villain.

He scans the room and notices the candlecup and picks the thing up with his bare hand cupping the base of it and blows it out. Apparently his puff of air was a bit loud because Beverly calls from upstairs, "Who's there?" She rushes downstairs and takes the candlecup from the man's hands and he...

Sigh.

He says a series of things through a very, very thick Scottish accent. Mike Meyers playing his character's father in "So, I Married an Axe Murderer" thick. I dunno, maybe it's really his accent and this is how people native to Scotland really talk but it doesn't come across well here. It comes across as sort of stereotypical. Anyway, he seems to think he has more right to be in this home than Beverly does since he's a colonist here and she's just the granddaughter of recently deceased colonist here to grieve the lost loved one and recover her things. Come on, Beverly!

He argues with her over his relationship to Beverly's grandmother, saying he knew her quite well, even though Nana didn't ever mention him to Beverly. He seems insistent on getting rid of the candlecup but Beverly refuses and insists he leaves the house. He continues his caricature, saying how stubborn Howard women are and that he washes his hands of them, that candle has been a curse on the home for a long time and he wants nothing more to do with them.

And I need a drink.

We cut to... space?! An a spaceship orbiting a planet?! What's this nonsense doing in my Scottish Ghost Story Romance?!

Data and Geordi are giving the colony leader their assessments of the planet's various systems and, generally, seem to think everything is in good working order though they do find some problems in the planet's climate-control systems. Data reports that there's a storm system developing on the planet, the leader is shocked to hear that they'll have rain in the middle of Summer...... Um. The area of the planet we've seen looks very, very, green and sorta damp. Seems to me that implies a good deal of rain and, I dunno, are Summers known for being dry in Scotland?

Data offers to investigate the problem further and Geordi assures the leader they'll have everything fixed soon, the leader hopes so because there's a caber-toss scheduled for the following afternoon. (That Scottish sport where they chuck short telephone poles. Because, see, Scottish. And you won't believe they're Scottish unless you're given clues and reminders as often as possible!)

Beverly walks with Picard through a corridor talking about.... Sigh.

:drinks:

About...

:drinks:

Okay... Beverly talks about how she's been reading through her grandmother's journals (Hey! She's dead, whom does hurt?!) and they revealed that her grandmother at 100 apparently had a very active romantic life. Picard smiles a bit and notes that Howard women seem to have very active libidos, Beverly just hopes she can get laid as much when she's a centenarian. Particularly to a handsome man in his 30's.

We're watching a Star Trek episode where we're seeing characters talking about 100-year-old people fucking.

"30's?" Picard inquires.

Beverly says that the journals spoke of the young man who was at Nana's grave earlier. Picard, sensibly, seems to see the oddity in a man in his 30's nailing a woman in her 100's.

Beverly says that Nana and "Ronin" met soon after Beverly's great-grandmother died and the two spent a lot of time together, Nana, however; never mentioned him in her personal correspondence with Beverly. Because granddaughters love to read about their grandmothers getting it on with a man a third their age. Picard informs her that they'll be at the colony for a few more days, giving Beverly a chance to find out more.

We cut to Beverly sleeping in her bed, one of her grandmother's journals open and cradled in her arm, and the candlecup flickers to life a little bit (not setting off the ship's fire suppression systems) the covers over Beverly pull back a bit, as well as the shoulder of her nightgown. Beverly stirs and moans erotically a bit before springing awake with a start.

Flash to sometime the following morning where Beverly and Troi are talking in Ten-Forward and Bev is speaking of her odd experiences the night before. She talks about how she felt a "presence" in her dream, but not really a person. The "presence" called out her name -in a man's voice- and caressed her skin, knowing exactly how Beverly liked to be touched. Troi raises her brow in surprise, I reach for a drink.

Beverly says the sensations felt real, and was the most erotic dream she's ever had, and how aroused it made her. Troi says she's envious.

Okay, I've been hard on this scene. It's out of place for a Star Trek episode a bit but it's actually kind of interesting in a way. I mean, I suspect women can gather around and talk about their arousals, sexual needs and dreams, how their boobs are firming up and such. I mean it makes sense. It doesn't belong in an show about space exploration, but the scene more or less makes sense in that, I guess, this is how two women talk about their near middle-aged wet-dreams together.

Then, Crusher says she'd just finished reading a particularly detailed and erotic section of her grandmother's journal.

You know how in comedies when you have a man with an erection in some sexy situation and then something fantastically un-sexy will happen then we hear a slide-whistle and see evidence of his erection deflating? Whatever the female equivalent of that happens here. A shot of, I dunno, a faucet going off? A towel soaking up a patch of water? The sound of a toilet flushing or a drain gurgling? Troi's face drops a bit and she quickly tries to change the subject to the personnel reviews. How many damn personnel reviews do these people do anyway?! But to make it clear, Troi and Crusher were talking about eroticism with enthusiasm and then Crusher mentions getting feisty over her grandmother's erotic journal and Troi decides she'd rather do work.

Crusher doesn't take the hint and insists on going on about the journal and her dream, she wonders if she'll have another dream that night. Troi bites that she'd read two chapters and immediately turns back to sticking her stylus on her PADD.... (Dammit! It's catching on!)

That night, in the foggy, damp-looking, totally not-raining Summer of Scottish Colony VIII; Crusher visits her grandmother's grave (awww. We missed the caber toss!) with a small bouquet of flowers. They look like lilies or something, not her grandmother's favorite flower mentioned earlier. Troi finds a man brushing the fresh mound of dirt forming the grave like he's an ump sweeping homeplate. The man is the one she had an encounter with earlier.

She mends fences with him, saying she knows how much he meant to her grandmother after reading her journals. She offers him the chance to stay in the house once she leaves (does she think he doesn't have a home of is own? Does he just walk around the colony all night sweeping graves and stealing candles?) He declines, saying he'll never step into the house again and he warns her to not either as well as to not relight the candle.

Beverly is confused and tries to reason with the man, but he dismisses her rational thought and speaks of, instead, ghosts, spirits and curses. He warns her that if she lights the candle she'll continue the curse on her family. He even dismisses that the storms and such being caused by the malfunctioning weather system and as being due to these spirits. Just as he leaves a storm springs up, and Nana's grave is now covered in flowers when moments before it was just dirt. I *think* Beverly notices and finds this odd but she doesn't give it too much reaction. She seems to be more reacting to the storm's thunder, wind and lightning.

And, okay, she's dealing with this man who thinks that Howard women are cursed, that this house is cursed and evil things are a foot.

Keep in mind, he's not a grounds-keeper on a 19th century plantation or even at a 21st century hotel. He's a man living on a planet 200 lightyears away from Earth, he lives in a world with faster-than-light travel, the ability to turn matter into energy in order to relocate it, or to turn energy into virtually any needed object; and a world where the very planet he's living on was constructed in order to be habitable.

All of these things have existed for centuries.

And he's spouting off concerns about ghosts and hauntings rather than thinking there's a technological or alien explanation to things.

The Enterprise detects the strengthening storm and continues to look into options in fixing the failing weather-control system.

Beverly enters her grandmother's house, turns on a light, and shows some shock when she sees a bunch of flowers now scattered around the main living area of the house. She hears a noise (which, to me, just sounded like the house settling or a noise related to the storm, but I'll take her word for it that it was out of place) she calls out to the noise, wondering who is there.

There's a few more creaks and noises, and she notices a small mirror rattling on the wall, she goes to fix it and when she looks into the mirror again she sees Ronin standing behind her in the mirror, but he's not there in the physical space. She begins calling out warnings for whomever to reveal himself or she'll call for Enterprise security. She reaches for her combadge but before being able to activate it she begins twitching in... eroticism? Pain?

She wonders what is happening as she continues to convulse, "Ronin" asks if she remembers him from the night before but she insists it was a dream and continues to twitch. Ronin tells her that he's a spirit who attached itself to her family in Glasgow on Earth in the 17th century; he's followed Howard women ever since, even out into the galaxy. She doesn't believe in ghosts and continues to resist him, but he insists the two of them will be together soon. Beverly still has an orgasm... or a stroke.

In orbit the Enterprise is phasering the storm away... or maybe a power transfer to the weather-control station.

Troi pops into Crusher's quarters wanting to know if she's coming to Klingon Tai Chi but Beverly declines. Troi picks up on Crusher's aloofness and wonders if she had another granny-porn wet dream. Crusher, coyly, says no. Troi senses Beverly's deceptions and eventually finds out Crusher is seeing Ronin. She mostly seems okay with this but warns that the two of them finding a connection in the wake of the loss of a shared loved one is a poor foundation for a relationship. I'd say just the fact he piped her grandmother is reason enough but, yeah, the death thing makes it weird too.

 

[Trekker4747]

[cont'd]

Picard rides in a turbolift with the colony leader who seems to have a -cured in the 24th century- cold caused by the Summer thunderstorms on the planet. Believe me, I live in tornado alley, during the Summer storm season everyone has a cold! They enter the bridge which has a low fog covering the floor. The ship is experiencing other environmental problems which Data pins on "feedback" from their connection to the planet's weather-control systems. They try and to terminate the beam but are unable to as the station itself seems to be now sustaining the beam. Data says he'll have to go to the station to terminate the beam.

On the station Data and Geordi look over the system controls when they notice someone under a console dicking with the circuitry inside. The man is practically in the middle of the room. Out in the open. Totally in view of anyone entering the room. Doing things that are making noise. And Data and Geordi are JUST NOW noticing him, nor do they seem curious how he got there. They just ask him to stop. The man is the stereotype Crusher has ran into on the planet a couple of times, he wants to deactivate the weather station, believing that it's somehow instrumental to Ronin's plans to kill the colonists. He's shocked by a panel, flung across the room and knocked prone. Data goes over there, sort of checks his pulse, and pronounces him dead. That's okay, Dat, don't go out of your way to do anything to revive him or call for medical help or anything. "He's dead." will suffice.

Later, Geordi thinks he knows what happened with the console while Crusher goes over the body. Initially, Geordi thinks it was a plasma discharge but Crusher finds an anomaly in the man's body that suggests it wasn't. It seems whatever problem is impacting the weather station went into the man and caused him to die, residuals still in his system. She takes the body back to the ship for closer study but defers the work to Dr. Selar.

(To the show's credit, the panels and such in the station are consistent with 23rd century LCARS or LCARS-equivalent HUDs, when the station was said to have been built.)

She goes back to her grandmother's house and insists are speaking to Ronin. Ronin's able to briefly take a corporeal form in order to rush to Beverly's desperate aid but says he cannot do it for long. He convinces Crusher to go back to the ship to retrieve the candle, he will join her by traveling along the power-transfer beam.

Beverly rushes into her quarters, gets something out of her med kit which allows her... to... light... the candle? And the lit candle doesn't cause any response from the ship's fire control systems. She paces around, huddles and basically acts like a detoxing meth addict waiting for Ronin to appear via the candle.

Ronin appears and embraces Beverly, saying she'll feel love like she's never felt it before them turns into a greenish mist (because, Irish) and absorbing into her. Crusher sighs erotically and cradles on her bed.

Ronin says he'll be with her always, as he's been with all Howard women through the centuries. So... here's the deal. It seems the power he holds over women is a strong one that makes them basically addicted to him over anything else. So how is it, through the centuries, the Howard women have married and had children in order to sustain this practice? I mean, was Beverly's grandmother really able to marry Beverly's grandfather and produce Beverly's mother while being over taken by this "spirit?"

It would seem the spirit need-not possess every generation, since it'd seem Beverly's mother missed out, but it still seems like there's a flaw here that makes this practice unsustainable.

The Enterprise seems to leave orbit with the power-beam still on and stretching in order to keep contact wit the ship's phaser strip; as opposed to the ship being in a geosynchronous orbit.

Beverly, in civilian colonist garb, stacks some belongings in the middle of the transporter pad as Picard enters the room; and confronts Beverly on her resigning her commission. Beverly simply states she wishes to stay on the colony to be a "healer" like her grandmother (because, why continue being a doctor using science and medical practices when you can "heal" with herbs and stuff. Scottish!)

Troi and Picard talk in the ready room where Troi speaks of Crusher's passion for Ronin and how much it seemed to change Beverly's focus and direction and how she warned her of going too far in a time of vulnerability. Picard wonders if Ronin could be exerting influence over Beverly. Troi is unsure.

Picard says it's unlike Beverly to make a rash decision and do something like this (Yeah! What's she going to do next? Perform an autopsy on an alien based on a hunch? Make fun of a date's facial hair? Fuck Riker while he's being controlled by an alien slug in him?)

Data reports having detected the same energy distortions from the colony's cemetery as the ones that killed Stereotype and are impacting the weather station. Picard sends him and Geordi down to investigate.

Using tricorders Data and Geordi find the energy signal concentrated on the now un-covered-in-flowers grave of Beverly's grandmother. They have to physically walk over here to discover this, responding to alarm noises on the tricorders rather than it telling them exactly where it is from a distance or Data taking from "2 meters below the surface" that it's coming from a grave and that Beverly's grandmother's grave is the most notable change to happen to this area since the problems began.

In her grandmother's home Beverly sits in a chair in the candlelit room wearing a nightgown and fondles the candlecup. Ronin walks up and takes Beverly's hands. Beverly says she cannot imagine life before she met Ronin. Ronin mists again and absorbs into Beverly, she pants and writhes passionately. Captain Ghost-mist Block knocks on the door and enters without confirmation, he sees Beverly writhing in the chair moaning, her feet propped up on footstool.

Yes, Captain Picard just walked in on Dr. Crusher double-clicking her mouse while being passionate about an energy being that's nailed her grandmother.

This is obviously the best episode of TNG ever.

Picard welcomes himself and justifies his entrance by saying he knocked, waited for a second or two, and then entered because "the door was open" (read: unlocked) he hopes she doesn't mind. Beverly is obviously flustered and the room likely smells like... Well, Picard wants to meet Ronin.

Beverly, still coming down from a full steam, is polite and cordial to Picard saying Ronin isn't there. Picard notices Beverly has changed her eye color (her eyes are now green) and says he preferred them the way they were. (I know with contacts we can change eye color today, but is this something they do in 24c? Sticking pieces of material in your eyes for a cosmetic change seems to me like something they wouldn't do anymore. Is there some way 24c people can change their eye color through technology?) Crusher further points out that it's the way she is now and this is her life now and she begins to get angry (now apparently back down to atmospheric pressure.)

She tries to get Picard to leave but he insists on staying, sensing something is wrong and had been ever since they got there. Ronin comes down the stairs and introduces himself to Picard in an attempt to quell his questions. But Picard only grows more curious of his presence and role on the planet.

Geordi contacts Picard and says the energy disturbance is coming from Nana's grave and wants to exhume the body in order to find out more. Ronin and Beverly refuse to allow it, but Picard tells Geordi and Data to get the colony leader's permission and then exhume the body. Ronin threatens to go to the leader himself to prevent the exhumation but Picard further challenges Ronin, saying he doubts the leader knows Ronin and begins asking Ronin questions about his past.

Ronin disappears and as Picard tries to lead Beverly out of the house he's shocked by Ronin. I'm guessing without the same effects as Stereotype from earlier.

Beverly grabs a medkit and begins treating Picard. Ronin is insistent that Beverly leave and help him stop Geordi from exhuming the body, Beverly insists on helping Picard and Ronin's unable to get her to come with him. He leaves to stop Geordi and Data.

Picard begins to come to and tells Beverly to go and stop Ronin.

Geordi has Nana's coffin beamed to the top of the burial plot (which doesn't collapse now that the coffin is missing) and they remove the cover and examine Nana's body with their tricorders. They find traces of the energy causing all of the problems.

Nana's eyes open, she sits up and neither Data or Geordi react much to this. She touches them and they get shocked with the Ronin-energy and collapse. Beverly appears, holding the candlecup, and she shouts for Ronin to leave them alone. Nana's body falls limp (surprisingly limp for a corpse) back into the coffin and Ronin appears nearby, calling out to her.

Beverly begins to piece it all together, saying Ronin isn't a ghost (Duh!) and instead is an energy life-form that needs a biological host to survive. He's been using the women in her family for centuries in order to remain alive somehow using the candle to do this. She points out the flame in the candle is "plasma based" (which isn't all fire a plasma?) and she isn't going to let Ronin manipulate her or curse her family any longer.

Ronin insists that he did what he had to in order to survive and he loved all of the Howard women he was with. He wants the candle but Beverly refuses, Ronin shocks Geordi in order to goad Beverly into giving up the candle.

Beverly sets it down on a ledge and backs away from it. Then she cautiously kneels down and Ronin asks, "What are you doing?"

Beverly reaches towards Geordi's belt and Ronin says, "No, seriously?"

Beverly grabs Geordi's phaser and begins to stand up-right.

Ronin, "Okay, this isn't funny..."

She holds up the phaser and takes aim.

Ronin: "Oh, you're such a kidder!"

She fires at the candlecup, vaporizing it. Apparently Geordi has his phaser on him set to a high setting. Beverly calls the Enteprise and tells them to shut-off the power-transfer beam and they comply. Ronin mourns over the lost candlecup and Beverly chides him with, "You've nowhere left to go."

Ronin says he does and makes a movement towards Beverly, she fires the phaser which holds Ronin off for a moment before charging at her again. She fires again and Ronin dissipates. Beverly crashes down crying into her arms.

The ship is en-route to a more interesting story, Data and Geordi recovered off screen, and Crusher is talking with Troi trying to justify all of this bullshit. The being that was Ronin found something in an ancient Howard woman's DNA that made him compatible with her, a trait that's not been bred out or diminished in 600 years (30 generations or so) and that she was about to be latest initiated into this family tradition of fucking an alien ghost.

Beverly laments that she's a bit sorry she killed Ronin since after re-reading her grandmother's journals he did make her very happy.

Ummm... Through rape? This is rape, isn't it? I mean Ronin was able to psychologically manipulate Beverly into getting her to connect with him (again, the moments she was away from him she acted like a crack-addict coming down from a high and in need of another fix) and she behaved out of character and gave up her career in order to be with him. Obviously choices she would not have ordinarily made. But she was "happy" so that's... okay? Right?

Umm no. It's a form of rape.

And this episode sucks. It's utterly, utterly shitty. TNG put out a fair amount of crap over it's run and this one is probably on the top. I know there's a couple episodes I don't like watching, I skipped watching the Lwaxanna Troi-centric episode a couple weeks ago but mostly out of just not having the energy to really watch such a dull episode. I hate "Shades of Gray" since it's damn clip show in a series that was only two-seasons long and the premise for the clips is thin.

But this episode? Is painful. Damn. Painful.

As I've always said, it's a grocery-store romance novel with a Fabio-look alike on the cover adapted for a technological/sci-fi setting. Instead of a ghost it's an alien energy being, instead of some mundane B-story we got this stuff with the weather system.

This episode is pure horsehit. Uncut. Grade-A. Horseshit.

The only sort-of redeemable thing about it is the scenes of an erotically moaning and twitching Beverly Crusher and some nice shots of her in a nightgown with bare feet. That's about all I can come up with.

Oh, and an episode with some nice offensive cultural stereotypes to really put the cherry on the top of the crap-cake.

I'm all fine for episodes being more catered to a female audience but when it's like this, I'd think it'd be offensive because, again, it's the trashy romance novel type of "catering." Other episodes have dealt with romantic stories and done them much better. (The Host comes to mind) But this? The woman in me finds insulting, and I'd think all -true- women should find it insulting as well that this was the type of episode the show-runners felt they needed to do in order to suit a female audience.

Yeesh. Awful, awful, awful.

Till next time.

 

[JesterFace]

This episode has one of my childhood heroes starring in it (Duncan Regehr = Zorro) but even he can't save it...

 

[tomalak301]

You know before I came to the BBS, I didn't think this episode was that awful. Then I came and maybe saw the (Candle) light because it is not very good. I still think there are worse episodes though, like Cost of Living or Man of the People (The 6th season episode where Troi grows old).

 

[Paradise City]

It's a very corny episode, this. From the "Willy the Groundskeeper" foil to this oily ghost in a 17th century costume.

 

[Terok Nor]

Hilariously awful episode. The scene where Picard walks in and catches Crusher having an orgasm is a classic.

 

[stardream]

I can watch Threshold in a kind of point and laugh kind of way....pretending it's all a weird dream Paris had while under the influence of something. This I simply cannot watch. I'd watch Move Along Home ten times in a row before ever watching this again.

 

[Trekker4747]

I can watch Threshold in a kind of point and laugh kind of way....pretending it's all a weird dream Paris had while under the influence of something. This I simply cannot watch. I'd watch Move Along Home ten times in a row before ever watching this again.

There's a lot of terrible episodes in all of Trek I'd rather watch over this one. Admittedly it's one I *will* watch during nay watch-through but mostly because it's an episode that's "fun to hate" because of how utterly absurd it is.

 

[Vanyel]

Just read Anne Rice's The Witching Hour, it's far more entertaining.

 

[Seven of Five]

Horrible, horrible episode.

 

[Chronos]

Sub Rosa is the absolute worst episode of TNG, and one of the worst episodes of Trek as a whole. Other episodes are poorly-written or ridiculous in concept, but Sub Rosa takes it to a whole new level.

 

[MrEscape]

The fog on the bridge is probably the best scene in this, and the reanimated Grandmother zapping Data and Geordi I found strangely funny just for it's cheesiness. Guess the one thing this episode is good for is for mocking all the ridiculousness throughout the whole thing. (Like the whole Grandmother's journal thing...)

It's not the worst TNG episode for me though, but definitely an awful one. Nothing wrong with experimenting with different genres, unless it turns out like a green blob (or ghost gas) of an episode like this one did.

 

[Trekker4747]

The fog on the bridge is an odd one for me, as well as the environmental problems reported, mostly because it just seems odd that the "feedback" from the weather station would cause these problems. You'd think the ship would have a firewall or some other system to prevent outside systems (even if it's another Starfleet system) from changing things like this. And, yeah, yeah, Ronin's influence or the Caricature messing around could have had something to do with it, it just seemed like a silly thing to put in the episode that ultimately means nothing beyond a waste of dry ice.

 

[Vanyel]

If the ship had a firewall it should have detected the Iconian "virus".

 

[MermaidSouth]

This episode burns me.

 

[RAMA]

The only real question I have is WHY did we need such a long and detailed description of this episode???? Why is sex inappropriate in space opera? The Expanse gets some mileage in it.

For what it's worth, I've noticed women don't particularly dislike this episode. I'd say maybe 50-60% of women like it and maybe 10% males.

 

[Paradise City]

Sex isn't the objection here. It's like a stereotypical chic flick, plastic gothic novel and silly plastic highlandery all rolled into one. It's not a serious episode.

 

[stardream]

The only real question I have is WHY did we need such a long and detailed description of this episode???? Why is sex inappropriate in space opera? The Expanse gets some mileage in it.

For what it's worth, I've noticed women don't particularly dislike this episode. I'd say maybe 50-60% of women like it and maybe 10% males.

For what it's worth most of the women I know hate it.. myself included.

 

[Trekker4747]

The only real question I have is WHY did we need such a long and detailed description of this episode???? Why is sex inappropriate in space opera? The Expanse gets some mileage in it.

For what it's worth, I've noticed women don't particularly dislike this episode. I'd say maybe 50-60% of women like it and maybe 10% males.

Nothing wrong with sex in an episode, it's just that this episode is horrible with it. Crusher essentially gets off on reading her grandmother's erotic diary. Isn't that just a tad fucked up?!

It's a horrible episode and, yes, Crusher is essentially raped. And yet it's all supposed to be... romantic?

For this episode I felt like doing a full recap because I really, really, REALLY hate this episode. We'll be back to our regularly scheduled nonsense with the next episode.

 

[RAMA]

For what it's worth most of the women I know hate it.. myself included.

I think 40-50% hate is quite a bit so I'm sticking to that. But yes, I assumed as much too, but over the years i noticed a lot of women defend it. The rating at IMDB is middling 5.1 but not horrible, and a 6.2 at TV.com. Lot's of people seem to like it.

 

[RAMA]

Nothing wrong with sex in an episode, it's just that this episode is horrible with it. Crusher essentially gets off on reading her grandmother's erotic diary. Isn't that just a tad fucked up?!

It's a horrible episode and, yes, Crusher is essentially raped. And yet it's all supposed to be... romantic?

For this episode I felt like doing a full recap because I really, really, REALLY hate this episode. We'll be back to our regularly scheduled nonsense with the next episode.

Well why not, this is quite funny too:

http://sttngfashion.tumblr.com/post/2815147177/sub-rosa-714