TNG on 4k?
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Worse, the 35mm negs were scanned in at 2K - possibly due to time and resource constraints.
Potentially worse, seasons 1 and 2 have numerous scenes using slower speed and/or poorer quality film, for dark scenes, and the level of grain visible would be more pronounced.
Arguably worse, does upscaling from 1080P to 4K hamper as much as upscaling from 480i to 1080P does? (or 720P to 1080P like the f/x from "Enterprise"?) Good 4K 50" sets with image processing do an impressive job with upscaling 1080P to 4K and it doesn't look any worse - probably temporal dithering used to shroud common stretching artifacting but the larger the native material makes it easier to size and alter with less in-your-face distortion up to a certain point.
Definitively worse, blu-ray discs have higher visual quality than streamed 4K.
And is 4K worth it in a home if all those TV size/distance calculators show underwhelming results? To benefit from the crispy freshness of the extra detail, one with 20/20 vision has to sit 7 feet away from a 50" set (or 12' for one of those cheap 85" sets) or be in a really big theater with a really big screen with really noisy and inconsiderate people.
Potentially worse, seasons 1 and 2 have numerous scenes using slower speed and/or poorer quality film, for dark scenes, and the level of grain visible would be more pronounced.
Arguably worse, does upscaling from 1080P to 4K hamper as much as upscaling from 480i to 1080P does? (or 720P to 1080P like the f/x from "Enterprise"?) Good 4K 50" sets with image processing do an impressive job with upscaling 1080P to 4K and it doesn't look any worse - probably temporal dithering used to shroud common stretching artifacting but the larger the native material makes it easier to size and alter with less in-your-face distortion up to a certain point.
Definitively worse, blu-ray discs have higher visual quality than streamed 4K.
And is 4K worth it in a home if all those TV size/distance calculators show underwhelming results? To benefit from the crispy freshness of the extra detail, one with 20/20 vision has to sit 7 feet away from a 50" set (or 12' for one of those cheap 85" sets) or be in a really big theater with a really big screen with really noisy and inconsiderate people.
Nope, they barely scraped a profit with HD on the second most popular show, and the blurays are still hanging around.
They aren't going to waste the money on something that would sell less.
We're aren't getting DS9 and Voyager in HD or I'd say anything other than Enterprise and Discovery in 4K.
They aren't going to waste the money on something that would sell less.
We're aren't getting DS9 and Voyager in HD or I'd say anything other than Enterprise and Discovery in 4K.
IIRC, Enterprise was shot digitally in 2K, so there's no source film to create new 4K masters from. Also, the effects were mostly done in 480p and 720p (due to render times).
They might still try a crude up scale given it's newer status and hope it sells. TNG in 4K would be...messy.
I don't see why? If they can do an upscale of the 2K digital masters from Enterprise, they should be able to do the same with the 2K digital masters created for TNG. The TNG masters are likely newer.
Though, I gotta be honest. I have both shows on Blu-ray, and both look really good on my 50" Vizio 4K TV. I'm not sure I would pick up either show on 4K, even as much as I love Star Trek.
At some point there really isn't a need to keep improving them. Bluray does a lot to clean them up from the VHS level mastering from that and DVD. I don't quite get the need for 4K generally.
Best thing to hope for is a complete Star Trek bluray collection right now and worry about the rest later.
4K: The human eye can't descern the difference, but you know it's there.
I can tell the difference, but it really is minimal. The Star Trek Beyond UHD came with a Blu-ray, which was just a touch softer. Though I sit pretty close to the TV, about five feet.
Here's a great article on 4K as well - even more recent movies' net resolution on 4k is upscaled 2K :wow:
https://referencehometheater.com/2013/commentary/4k-calculator/
https://referencehometheater.com/2013/commentary/4k-calculator/
And yet they spent $8 to $10 million per single episode of STD.
Is $50 mil to remaster fourteen seasons of Trek really that much worse than $40 mil to make less than half of one new season of something that's so unlike Star Trek that a spoof show ("The Orville") is given honorary canon status instead?
There are many blu ray players that do a fine job upscaling from 2k to 4k. I would have no interest if TNG was simply upscaled and then re-packaged as "4k".
Would anyone mind if Paramount remastered the series to 16:9 and make an attempt to add or erase the stage accessories, Lights stands, and boom mic etc., and make it modern visual TV experience?
I'd like to see a TNG upgrade to 4K, just as soon as they upgrade my eyes to bionic ones.
A new series that brought 5 million new Netflix subscribers worldwide and is spawning 5 new spin-off series? Yes. Otherwise it would have been cancelled.
Assuming those new viewers stay around?
15 episodes... 5 million people... round up to $10 mil per episode... that's $2 per person per week to pay for that. Which begs the question, how many established Trek fans would purchase remastered releases of the remaining shows? There's a reasonable cutoff, certainly... Will STD make it to 7 years? Or 3 (at 15 episodes per season, never mind 26 and both have filler, never mind filler episodes - one of the reasons STD has but 15 eps per year and some of them seemed fairly fillery too)?
But that is just Netflix. You also have both streaming and cable rights fees in Canada and the CBS All-Access fees in the US.
Not enough based on TNG's numbers.
Dedends on what they figure the Return on Investment is.
[Oh and as for: "Is $50 mil to remaster fourteen seasons of Trek really that much worse than $40 mil to make less than half of one new season of something that's so unlike Star Trek.." <--- Welcome to how A GREAT MANY TOS fans felt in 1987 when TNG premiered... My point: This isn't the first time the Star Trek Franchise has adopted itself to the current presentation and manner of entertainment . Gee - The current modern form of 'Star Trek' is different from the form of it you fell in love with 30+ years ago in 1987...yeah, welcome to the world of someone who loved what Star trek was in 1966; but didn't care for what it had become when returned to TV in 1987.]
1987-1994 TNG has effectively run its course. They've sold it in syndication and sold it both in DVD and Blu-Ray. There are not many who will rebuy and rebuy the same content in a different wrapper.
Star Trek Discovery (however you might view it is brand new.
- Yes, right now it's exclusively on a streaming platform but nothing prevents them years down the line from selling it to whatever internet/cable/over the air TV stations that exist in later years.
- The ST: D Blu rays are selling well.
Bottom line: Overall ST: D offers them a better ROI per dollar spent then another re-release of TNG in yet another format. That's why they're doing what they're doing - Money spent v. Profit returned.
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