The Numbers: a time travel paradox?!
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doubleohfive
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"Jacob had a thing for numbers."
-The Man in Black
-The Man in Black
It was the universe bending to Jacob's will.
Er, yeah....that.
Er, yeah....that.
Jorge Garcia confirmed after the finale aired that that was indeed his voice reading the numbers for the radio tower number transmission as many fans have speculated.
Make of that what you will. At some point in the future, perhaps Hurley will travel back in time, transmit the numbers, and the start the whole mess for himself in the first place.
Make of that what you will. At some point in the future, perhaps Hurley will travel back in time, transmit the numbers, and the start the whole mess for himself in the first place.
Yeah, I know, but that explanation is lame. It certainly doesn't explain how the numbers ended up on the Hatch or why they were the numbers you needed to enter into the computer in order to push the button. Why did the Dharma Initiative use them? Maybe it's because Hurley was IN the Dharma Initiative!
I'm saying maybe he already did when they were all trapped in the 70s. Not necessarily on purpose, but maybe while he was there he left some clue about the numbers that somebody else found. I dunno.
No, Hurley didn't plant them. I was hoping for a clever explanation for the origin of the numbers and their prevalence through out the the series. Ultimately they were scattered in scenes just as easter eggs for obsessive fans to scour for. And in-story I guess you could argue that they were all over the place because they were part of some cosmic force/collective consciousness similiar to what Moore suggested was the case with "All Along the Watchtower" on BSG.
That was explained in "Some Like it Hoth"--they just happened to be the serial number designated for the Hatch cover the way certain replacement parts have serial numbers assigned to them. The fact that they were those specific numbers chalk it up to more LOST coincidences.
Prove it.
Because if Hurley thinks they are bad luck why would he plant them so they would spread? Even as recently as "Some Like it HOth" when he sees them being engraved he was spooked by them. Being a superstitious guy I doubt he'd want anything to do with them let alone recite them from his lips himself. At the end of the day though it is all speculation and you asked a question and I stated my *opinion*. I just don't buy into that particular notion that Hurley was behind it.
L/C in several interviews talked about the significance of the numbers and they said that it was just one of those neat mysteries but there really wasn't more to it than that. If Hurley had planted them I would assume it would have been incorporated into the series to provide a nice definitive answer the way they did with other predestination paradoxes like the way the survivors triggered The Incident. And since they created the show I see them as the ultimate arbiters of this. The whole Hurley/number planting thing is just another of those fan theories.
And at the very least if you want to argue with me the series never provided enough information to know definitively one way or the other.
L/C in several interviews talked about the significance of the numbers and they said that it was just one of those neat mysteries but there really wasn't more to it than that. If Hurley had planted them I would assume it would have been incorporated into the series to provide a nice definitive answer the way they did with other predestination paradoxes like the way the survivors triggered The Incident. And since they created the show I see them as the ultimate arbiters of this. The whole Hurley/number planting thing is just another of those fan theories.
And at the very least if you want to argue with me the series never provided enough information to know definitively one way or the other.
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doubleohfive
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I only posted that because 1) I just finished watching the episode where The Man in Black says that to Sawyer, and 2) I don't necessarily chalk up the continued appearance of the numbers to that reasoning alone either. It's just another one of the many mysteries about LOST that won't be explained, and I'm ok with that. It's just another nice layer to the show I enjoy.
I'm not saying he did it on purpose. Maybe sometime in the past he happened to say something about the Numbers and somebody else did something with them. I'm just speculating for the fun of it, and I honestly don't care what the writers have to say. Part of the fun of being a fan of a TV show, especially LOST, is trying to fill in the gaps.
No more of a paradox than the Locke's compass.
It's a funny thing. Faraday believed that they were variables in the equation, but in the end the only variable that mattered was Jacob. In the present time that is. I think WHH is an universal rule that even Jacob couldn't touch, but he certainly decided the other rules. He chose the people and assigned them with numbers. He manipulated the world as much as a person in his position can and even though he most likely wasn't 100% certain about the outcome of his master plan, he pushed the smaller players in place and that was that.
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