The newly knighted should not have padawans

[Crewman6]

So we've seen in canon now numerous instances where Jedi who were knighted like five minutes ago already have padawans.

This seems like a terrible idea. You don't make someone who just passed their driver's test a driving school instructor.

You need to actually live life, get some experience, some wisdom, some perspective.

And usually it doesn't end up well. Obi Wan took on Anakin literally the same day he officially became a knight. Anakin had Ahsoka also just after officially becoming a knight.

And now, in "The Acolyte", we learn that everyone's famous doofus Jedi, Yord, also a (relatively) new knight has an apprentice, Batgirl, who ends up staying home. But there's no way that Yord is emotionally ready or mature enough for the responsibility, as we've seen him being a tool at every turn during the events of "The Acolyte" thus far.

This just seems like a moronic practice that the staid, procedural Jedi should really have rules against.

 

[Guy Gardener]

So we've seen in canon now numerous instances where Jedi who were knighted like five minutes ago already have padawans.

This seems like a terrible idea. You don't make someone who just passed their driver's test a driving school instructor.

You need to actually live life, get some experience, some wisdom, some perspective.

And usually it doesn't end up well. Obi Wan took on Anakin literally the same day he officially became a knight. Anakin had Ahsoka also just after officially becoming a knight.

And now, in "The Acolyte", we learn that everyone's famous doofus Jedi, Yord, also a (relatively) new knight has an apprentice, Batgirl, who ends up staying home. But there's no way that Yord is emotionally ready or mature enough for the responsibility, as we've seen him being a tool at every turn during the events of "The Acolyte" thus far.

This just seems like a moronic practice that the staid, procedural Jedi should really have rules against.

Way back, I was watching the sitcom "Mom" where CJ from the West Wing is being Smug about being the perfect Sponsor, because she is full of knowledge, reflecting "You know a lot of the time, I really learn about myself from looking after other people, hey... We should write that down, make it part of the rules."

Making sure an idiot doesn't swallow their own light sabre, is an uplifting journey bordering on parenthood.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Nah. I thought Vernestra Rwoh taking Imri as her padawan at 16 was rather nice. Ditto with Ahsoka being Anakin's padawan, and Anakin being Obi-Wan's padawan.

Remember, they weren't training for a driver's test for a year, they were training as Jedi their whole lives (even applies to Anakin who was too old when he began training), they had arguably passed the “driving test” either when or even before becoming padawans.

I think we all agree on Yord, though.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

But what if knight hood is not passing your driver’s license test, but passing your driving instructor test?

 

[valkyrie013]

Yeah, Yord isn't ready for a padawan.. and his padawan was a dick to Asha too. so.. not that far fromt he tree.

 

[Crewman6]

I think we all agree on Yord, though.

 

[Crewman6]

But what if knight hood is not passing your driver’s license test, but passing your driving instructor test?

It's not, though. You're considered Not A Jedi when you're an apprentice. It's the learner's permit phase of your training.

Then you become a knight. Taking on an apprentice should be something that only a master does. It's literally the definition of the word.

 

[fireproof78]

This just seems like a moronic practice that the staid, procedural Jedi should really have rules against.

I see the argument for it though, even if I disagree with it. The idea that the best way to continue to practice what you learn is to teach it. So, the concept makes sense, like a recently promoted manager providing a training to manager trainees.

But, I think it doesn't always work out well in practice because most Jedi live their life in the Temple, so their experiences are not going to be all that varied to get past the problems such isolation may create and replicate.

 

[Ithekro]

To become a master you must first train a padawan to become a knight.
I don't think every knight gets a padawan right away. But some do. In Anakin's case it was a decision by Yoda and the council to give him Ahsoka to teach Anakin responsibility and to let go of attachments. It partly worked, but then things went horribly wrong due to the war, and Palpatine's schemes.

Obi-wan took Anakin as a promise to Qui-Gon. Yoda did not approve, but the council was willing to allow it. It turns out that Obi-wan was a good teacher in terms of skills, because Anakin was one of the best Jedi Knights in the Order. But Anakin has issues that Obi-wan was not suited to solve.

Yord either wanted a Padawan for some reason, or the Council thought that having a Padawan would be a way to teach Yord a lesson of some kind.

 

[JD]

Nah. I thought Vernestra Rwoh taking Imri as her padawan at 16 was rather nice. Ditto with Ahsoka being Anakin's padawan, and Anakin being Obi-Wan's padawan.

Remember, they weren't training for a driver's test for a year, they were training as Jedi their whole lives (even applies to Anakin who was too old when he began training), they had arguably passed the “driving test” either when or even before becoming padawans.

I think we all agree on Yord, though.

But what if knight hood is not passing your driver’s license test, but passing your driving instructor test?

Yeah, I believe training a Padawan is the whole reason someone is promoted to a Knight, so if a person isn't ready to take on a Padawan then they won't be promoted until they are. Being promoted to Knight isn't getting your driver's license, it's getting your teaching license.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yeah, I believe training a Padawan is the whole reason someone is promoted to a Knight, so if a person isn't ready to take on a Padawan then they won't be promoted until they are. Being promoted to Knight isn't getting your driver's license, it's getting your teaching license.

So Luke was just being pretensious claiming to be a Knight, at Jabba's Palace?

Not long after, Luke trained cgi Leia on The Moon of Endor.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Also, being a teacher and a learner is not mutually exclusive.

 

[JD]

So Luke was just being pretensious claiming to be a Knight, at Jabba's Palace?

Not long after, Luke trained cgi Leia on The Moon of Endor.

Luke was in a unique situation.

 

[Set Harth]

So Luke was just being pretensious claiming to be a Knight, at Jabba's Palace?

Not long after, Luke trained cgi Leia on The Moon of Endor.

Supposedly that was Ajan Kloss, according to the TROS VD.

 

[UssGlenn]

The way the ranks are set up, it seems that the original intent was for Knights not to have Padawans. This is because Padawans call their mentors "Master" which is horribly confusing. Who was the first Knight to have a Padawan in canon? Was it Anakin? If so he's got even more reason to be pissed about not being promoted.

 

[The Wormhole]

Who was the first Knight to have a Padawan in canon? Was it Anakin?

Well, no, Obi-Wan took on Anakin as his Padawan immediately after he was knighted.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Obi-wan took Anakin as a promise to Qui-Gon. Yoda did not approve

According to Canon, they interviewed the kid, then forbid the training because Yoda sensed in him much fear. Qui-Gon said "Just stick it in your pointy ear, I still will teach this boy"

But then Qui-Gon Met up with Darth Maul and became toast. Obi-wan was still here, even though Qui-Gon was a ghost, so Obi-Wan said "I guess I'll train this boy"

 

[UssGlenn]

Well, no, Obi-Wan took on Anakin as his Padawan immediately after he was knighted.

That beggs the question when did Obi Wan get promoted to master?

 

[Ithekro]

After Anakin became a knight. Possibly not until Obi-wan was offered a set on the council.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don't think I seen the word "knight" used so much. Yeah, we hear the term "Jedi Knight" several times in the OT, PT and ST but to my memory just "Jedi" and "Master" are more common than "Knight. But I'm probably wrong, my Wars-Fu is limited.