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The Mists of Avalon (2001) - the definitive Camelot film?

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I just watched the three-hour TNT movie The Mists of Avalon, based on the 1983 book (which I haven't read). Now, I read some Arthurian stuff as a kid, so I know the names Gawain and Percival and what-not, but I've generally been a bit fuzzy on the rest.

While the movie isn't perfect - there are some hokey moments, especially in the first third, some of the action beats feel like filler and the CG is sometimes uneven - it is very good. The trouble with the King Arthur story is that it's the story of an epic failure, the end of Camelot. The brilliance of the film is to concentrate on the women who are powerless to stop it, especially Arthur's half-sister Morgaine (a very attractive Juliana Marguiles); the women's mind games show the guys' macho swordplay for the kid stuff it is. Whenever such key players Arthur and Lancelot appear, they never outstay their welcome, always leaving us wanting to see a bit more of them, though we know that we're getting the full necessary picture already.

Also admirable is how dark and depressing the movie is. There's no false uplift, no shirking from its own story. In its own way, it does the classical tradition of tragedy proud. And I loved the narrative stance that casts Christianity in a villainous role, but not at all hysterically so, as the "good" side is severely flawed also.

I would've appreciated some more skin, decapitations, and all that other good stuff HBO gave us with Rome, but I've got to hand it to this movie: they got the Arthurian story as I understand it about right, I doubt another screen adaptation has done it better, and future ones have a high bar to surpass.
 
I tried watching this about a year or so ago. I watched the first part, but never bothered with the second. I didn't find it bad, necessarily. Just uninteresting.
 
I bought it about four years ago and haven't watched it yet. I've heard nothing but good things about, and have never read Marion Zimmer Bradley's books either. I would suggest that Excalibur is more the definitive movie on the Arthurian Legend.
 
I've read the book and watched the movie. The movie isn't as good as the book, but I enjoyed it nevertheless.
 
I enjoyed Mists of Avalon, but for me the definitive King Arthur film is John Boorman's Excalibur.
 
Haven't seen Excalibur, but the few shots of knights in really, really shining armor I have seen look more than a little ridiculous...
 
Excalibur has some stylistic choices that may seem anachronistic, but there are so many great moments in the film. You should see it - If you are a fan of Arthurian myth, how can you *not* see it?

It is the most definitive Arthurian film, IMO. Although I don't claim to be an expert... :)
 
I really don't see how there can be a such thing as a "definitive" King Arthur film. It's King Arthur. There are five hundred thousand versions of the story.
 
Haven't seen Excalibur, but the few shots of knights in really, really shining armor I have seen look more than a little ridiculous...


The really shiney armor helps add to the mythic feel of it. Excalibur is a movie about the Legend of the King Arthur story.

Besides, who can resist the dragon's charm?

Annal-nathrak uthas pethud dothyel diynve....
 
I like Excalibur, but truly I don't think there's yet been a definitive Camelot picture. I like a lot of the old ones, but I'm waiting for a truly full on Ringsafied Arthurian scaled picture. That and Beowulf. Avalon is a little slow, but it's also a slow ass book. I imagine its the best in production thus far, but I like King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table with Robert Taylor better I think.
 
Nothing wrong with Mists of Avalon, but by its very nature (focusing on the female characters), it can't pretend to be the definitive Camelot film. It only works in reference to other, more straightforward versions of the Arthurian legends. It's like an adaptation of Sense and Sensibility told from the perspective of the male characters: a charming novelty, but a novelty nonetheless.
 
Nothing wrong with Mists of Avalon, but by its very nature (focusing on the female characters), it can't pretend to be the definitive Camelot film. It only works in reference to other, more straightforward versions of the Arthurian legends. It's like an adaptation of Sense and Sensibility told from the perspective of the male characters: a charming novelty, but a novelty nonetheless.

I have to disagree about Mists being a novelty. The female characters were always major players in the Arthurian mythos, and Mists has the distinction of being one of the first and finest of the post-modern inside-out books which recast legendary villains as heroes. Not only does the book reinvent Morgan le Fay from predatory incestuous witch to desperate heroine and Arthur's true love, as a serious work of Arthuriana, Mists unpacked the core of the legend's construction by making its inner conflict between its Celtic and Christian origins the very heart of the novel.

Mists is also very much in the tradition of the early romances such as Chretian de Troyes' cycle of Arthur stories - in which Arthur barely appears. The only work to which Mists stands directly counter is Mallory's Le Morte d'Arthur. Granted this is the work that most modern people know because it's what has been taught in literature classes, but it is one piece in an enormous body of work, and even in Mallory the Lady of the Lake, Morgaine/ Morgause and Guinevere are the major plot drivers.

As for the mini-series, I thought it was overwrought, melodramatic and severely weakened by Marguiles who is lightweight at best and completely lacked the force Morgaine projects in the book. It was a pale adaptation of the book which is epic in scope with vivid characters and intense tragedy rarely seen in fantasy literature.

A definitive Arthurian film has yet to be made, largely because it would need to be a cycle of films. All of the movies I've seen, and I've seen several, lack the force of the original works. People today have a hard time doing tragedy, especially in film. Excalibur, loved as it is by guys of my generation, is also overwrought and ridiculously meolodramatic, with the same flaws as most Arthur films. It's atmospheric, but shallow.
 
Not only does the book reinvent Morgan le Fay from predatory incestuous witch to desperate heroine and Arthur's true love, as a serious work of Arthuriana, Mists unpacked the core of the legend's construction by making its inner conflict between its Celtic and Christian origins the very heart of the novel.
Exactly. You and I differ on the miniseries itself, but without some underpinning philosophical context/raison d'etre, the saga becomes one long litany of semi-connected anecdotes of people swinging swords at one another. It is precisely that grandfalutin' pointlessness on which so much of the Monty Python Grail humor finds root.
 
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