The Man in the High Castle season 2
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Speaking of which, truth time: how many of you all realized that Cal's butler from Titanic...
Is also Gul Madred?!
... Because I only just now learned that.
David Warner was also Chancellor Gorkon in ST:TUC, St. John Talbot in ST:TFF, Evil in Time Bandits, Ed Dillinger/Sark/Master Control Program in TRON, Jor-El in Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman, and a whole lo more.
To be fair, John Smith was once an American...I find it strangely amusing that in a TV show about a world where Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan won World War II and conquered the US, my favorite characters are actually the main Nazi and the two main Japanese, and none of the Americans.
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As far as complacency goes. according to the book the divergence point between our 2 reality's is when FDR was assassinated in 1933 at a rally in Miami. This causes another to become president and not prepare for war, and also causing the great depression to be longer. Since the US is delayed entering the war, it allows for the Nazi's to complete the A-bomb first. So here we have the American people beaten down by a longer great depression then the Nazis blow up Washington and invade, the Americans were just not prepared. Some may have even welcomed the invasion since they feel like America failed them (like John Smith), hoping the new order would be better, which it was (compared to the Depression) for most part (well not for theJews and minorities though that were killed).
In our reality, in 1941, WWII ushered in a new sense of patriotism for Americans and helped put the depression behind us and work more for prosperous future.
The only thing I don't get about the altered timeline is why didn't Germany nuke Japan (like the US did in our reality) in 1945 (after they nuked Washington) to keep them contained as well. Instead they just let Japan grow and take over a vast area? Does not sound like something the Nazi's would do.
You want to root for him but then you remember he is a traitor and has killed thousands of Americans.
As far as complacency goes. according to the book the divergence point between our 2 reality's is when FDR was assassinated in 1933 at a rally in Miami. This causes another to become president and not prepare for war, and also causing the great depression to be longer. Since the US is delayed entering the war, it allows for the Nazi's to complete the A-bomb first. So here we have the American people beaten down by a longer great depression then the Nazis blow up Washington and invade, the Americans were just not prepared. Some may have even welcomed the invasion since they feel like America failed them (like John Smith), hoping the new order would be better, which it was (compared to the Depression) for most part (well not for theJews and minorities though that were killed).
In our reality, in 1941, WWII ushered in a new sense of patriotism for Americans and helped put the depression behind us and work more for prosperous future.
The only thing I don't get about the altered timeline is why didn't Germany nuke Japan (like the US did in our reality) in 1945 (after they nuked Washington) to keep them contained as well. Instead they just let Japan grow and take over a vast area? Does not sound like something the Nazi's would do.
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This, this and this. I recognized him, too. He's got a very distinctive voice and delivery, in my opinion.
Assassination, swayed by Edith Keeler, it's all the same... LOL
Perhaps Germany didn't bomb Japan for the same reasons why the US didn't bomb the USSR and contain them as well. This really is a direct parallel. US/USSR post-WWII Cold War and a divided European continent and especially Germany and Berlin vs. Germany/Japan post-WWII Cold War and a divided North American continent.
The Man in the High Castle fans may be interested to learn that Anthropoid, last year's movie about the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich in our reality, has just hit US Amazon Prime free streaming. I watched it last night, and it's a cracking good film with excellent editing and cinematography. Apparently the actor who (very briefly) plays Heydrich previously played him in the 2011 Czech drama film Lidice. Also, I've seen HBO's Conspiracy (also on Amazon Prime) twice, but only just now realized that Kenneth Branagh's role in that movie is Heydrich - but then, I never particularly knew who Heydrich was until I started on The Man in the High Castle, and got to know his fictionalization there.
After watching this film, I was surprised to learn that another major movie about Operation Anthropoid is coming out this year, called The Man with the Iron Heart, starring Jason Clarke and Rosamund Pike as the Heydrichs, and Mia Wasikowska as an "Anna Novak", a possibly fictional character I can't identify. It'll be interesting to see how that movie measures up to Anthropoid...
Did anyone else, watching this for the first time, postulate that this could have been the alternate reality in which Kirk, Spock, Uhura, Scotty, and McCoy were stranded after McCoy's little cordrazine mishap and leap into the past during TCOTEOF?
Spoilers aside, imagine if Germany and Japan eventually DID duke it out for control of the Earth, and as predicted by the Man in the High Castle's depictions of the disparity in technology, Germany won? That would be in line with Spock's declaration of 'Germany eventually conquered the world."
Another theory is that this timeline (or one very similar) eventually results in the formation of the Terran Empire, although that historical 'break' seems to happen during first contact with the Vulcans.
Spoilers aside, imagine if Germany and Japan eventually DID duke it out for control of the Earth, and as predicted by the Man in the High Castle's depictions of the disparity in technology, Germany won? That would be in line with Spock's declaration of 'Germany eventually conquered the world."
Another theory is that this timeline (or one very similar) eventually results in the formation of the Terran Empire, although that historical 'break' seems to happen during first contact with the Vulcans.
See upthread.
No, it was clearly stated that the POD was the assassination of President Franklin Roosevelt by Giuseppe Zangara on February 15, 1933, leading to the continuation of the Great Depression and U.S. isolationism. In the Star Trek alternate timeline president Roosevelt was still alive in the 1936. And in the episode Spock said that the Nazi conquered the World, not the Nazi and the Japanese Empire.
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Opening credits sequence from ENT indicates the POD was much earlier than Vulcan first contact.
Quoting myself, I think this TV series is becoming a documentary (without the annoying detail of an invasion from outside).
Necro-ing an 8-year-old thread at random AND needlessly throwing out a partisan political job. Good job.
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