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"The Incredible Hulk" (2008, Edward Norton)

JacksonArcher

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So I've been re-listening to Craig Armstrong's terrific score for The Incredible Hulk lately (amazed that I find it more enjoyable of a listen than Danny Elfman's effort for 2003's film), and it made me realize just how much I appreciate and enjoy the film.

While I don't quite loathe Ang Lee's film like a lot of people do (in fact, I think it is slightly underrated), I think overall Louis Letterier made the better movie, one that fullfils the comic's promise of "Hulk Smash!" while also delving into the cursed nature of Bruce Banner's "affliction", the Hulk. It helps that extroverted Ed Norton is so much more authentic and believable than Eric Bana's portrayal. I could never empathize with Bana's Banner, while Norton's Banner is much more relatable.

That's not to say that the film doesn't have its flaws. The first hour of the film is superbly paced and we really get inside Banner's head while he's on the run, and we feel his desperation to find a cure and his self-imposed isolation from those he loves, and how that impacts him. Norton as a scientist is much more believable and realistic than the brooding Bana ever was.

However, the moment it becomes less "man on the run" and more of your run-of-the-mill comic-book movie, it loses its well-earned pathos. I do attribute this, as someone who has read Norton's original screenplay, that a lot of what was cut would have helped flesh out the story and characters more. It's a shame the studio requested cuts, because while the final version of the film is far from perfect, I believe had they kept the cut 20-30 minutes of the film (such as the opening in the arctic where Banner tried to commit suicide), it would have been a much more well-rounded film.

Bottomline, Ang Lee's Hulk is a much more cerebral version of the character while Louis Letterier's The Incredible Hulk is a much more straightforward adaptation that is ultimately in my opinion so much more satisfying.
 
I view the Ang Lee version as a noble failure, an interesting take on the comic mythos that didnt quite work out. Great cast, valiant effort to make the science credible, some interesting directorial flourishes (am I the only person who liked the panel-dissolve effect?) and a whole new approach to the comic book movie. OTOH, Banner is not a particularly interesting character in this movie, the CGI Hulk looks crap, the jellyfish absorbing man thing at the end is ludicrous, there's the Hulk poodles, etc, etc.

You mightn't believe that the director of the Transporter could make a better movie than the director of Crouching Dragon, Hidden Tiger, but he did. Norton's Banner is more appealing than Bana's while Liv Tyler and William Hurt are a match for Connelly and Elliott. The CGI Hulk is still imperfect but a lot better than his predecessor. The action scenes are handled way better and The Abomination is a much better nemesis than Nolte's transformed man. Roth is characteristically good value for money, as is Tim Blake Nelson (shame we won't get to see more of his big headed alter ego). Then, of course, there's RDJ's cameo as Tony Stark.

Not as good a movie as Iron Man but probably still the best Marvel movie (apart from IM) since Spider-man 2. A pity it didn't do well enough to warrant a sequel - I still hope we see old Jade Jaws in the Avengers movie.
 
Ang Lee's film is a great drama and monster film but not what I expected for a film about the Hulk. I guess I'm old school and still believe certain comic based films should also appeal to children as well.

Ed Norton's Hulk is what I expected a Hulk film to be, I just wish they hadn't cut all his dialog. However, I do give the film much credit by telling a story mostly through body language and facial expression.
 
I watched it for the first time a couple of months ago and was surprised that I enjoyed it so much. I liked the Ang Lee film but it was not supposed to be a action flick. Thought Ed Norton portrayed Banner better than Eric Bana did (and no offense to Bana who is a solid actor) I really enjoyed William Hurt as Thunderbolt Ross! His Ahab like obession at getting and containing Hulk at the sacrifice of his relatinship with his daughter. Liv Tyler was fine as Betty but then I thought Jenny Connelly did a great job as Betty Ross as well, we fanboys have lucked out with actresses in that role! I would like to see a second Hulk movie with Norton...and Hurt reprising their roles and no not just in Avengers either.
 
I liked the first movie, but I enjoyed the second one more.

I liked the tie-in to Captain America with the "Weapon Plus" serum, and it's sort of a mythology thing when you take into account Blonsky's increasing irrational behavior: taking an incomplete version of the Super-Soldier treatment was driving him mad just like it does in the comics.

I thought it would have added to the Marvel Movieverse for it to turn out that Blonsky was a plant by Hydra in the Hulk mission to get the hulk data for them and then he used it for his own ambitions when he got Ross to experiment on him. But the idea of him being an aging soldier who just wanted the power to keep fighting was more relatable I suppose.
 
That movie finally made me realize that the basic premise of the Hulk series is flawed.

When all is said and done, our protagonist, Bruce Banner, is someone who doesn't want anything to happen to him. And as soon as something does happen, he's replaced by the Hulk, who is more natural disaster than character.
 
Haven't heard anything other than Norton is supposed to be signed for Avengers...I'd like to see a sequel with the Leader as the villain and maybe introduce Rick Jones and Leonard Samson. Samson appears in the novelization I believe, although it's been a year since I read it.I think Betty's boyfriend was meant to be Samson in the movie.
 
Samson IS Betty's boyfriend. He was a casualty of the edits. In Norton's original screenplay, he plays a much more prominent role.
 
Yeah as I said in Peter David's novelization Samson is Betty's boyfriend but that part was re-written, I forgot what his name was in the movie. Also I was on wikipedia and it seems the bloke who played Samuel Sterns (the doctor who Bruce and Betty see) was suppossed to be set up later in sequel as the Leader and the actor is signed. The article stated not to expect anything else until at least 2012 and reminded us that a movie like the Terminator didn't hae a sequel for twelve years. I've only listened to a few tracks from the Incredible Hulk OST but do remember the score as being pretty beautiful...
 
That movie finally made me realize that the basic premise of the Hulk series is flawed.

When all is said and done, our protagonist, Bruce Banner, is someone who doesn't want anything to happen to him. And as soon as something does happen, he's replaced by the Hulk, who is more natural disaster than character.

Yeah, Hulk was never a traditional superhero. He's more a modern take (and enhancement) of "Jekyll and Hyde". Him and Spider-Man were Marvels' earlier "deconstructions" of super-powered beings.
 
The new film was definitely much better than the 03 one but it still didn't blow me away. Of course I've always felt that Hulk is a fundamentally uninteresting character, and only works when combined with others. He's not interesting enough to be a leading "man" unless he's fighting other heroes or leading a rebellion on an alien planet.
 
The new film was definitely much better than the 03 one but it still didn't blow me away. Of course I've always felt that Hulk is a fundamentally uninteresting character, and only works when combined with others. He's not interesting enough to be a leading "man" unless he's fighting other heroes or leading a rebellion on an alien planet.
That's why he & Wolverine appeal to young boys. They don't care who or what they fight as long as they see them fight.
 
What appealed to me about the Hulk was the 'gentle giant as misunderstood monster' angle. Until we get a Hulk who can talk, were never going to get into the head of this character and be able to sympathise with how he feels about being hounded by the military and attacked by every super hero/villian that thinks they've something to prove!
 
Well if they do any more movies in this series of Hulk... gotta keep Liv Tyler as Betty. She's perfect for the role, plus she's so fraggin' cute and still has that great ass. Kinda ass you want to just take a couple of smacks on and you know you won't hit bone. Jen Connolly was okay, but her personality was too flatline for me. Liv was subtle, but she really made you feel that she had real hatred toward her father when they captured Bruce.

Norton wasn't too bad really, I have to admit, he's a geeky scientist, that's what Banner always should have been. Bana was a biiit too well put together to be the nerd. Norton's a nerdy lookin' guy. So it worked great.

I just hope in the next film we have a semi-smart Hulk, or at least the Hulk that speaks like a sort of 'slow' child.

"Hulk no like army men. Army men hurt Hulk... and if army men were smart they would not hurt Hulk again because HULK WILL SMASH!"

"Hulk like beans."
 
I liked both films, but found Ang Lee's movie to be the more interesting and ambitious of the 2.

But then i couldn't care less about comic books or how their movie counterparts compare.
 
I'm not very familiar with the comic version of the hulk, only the 70's tv version with Bill Bixby. Watching that, the hulk just seemed to be the supporting character for Dr. Banner. It always struck me as the story of Dr. Banner's journey being such a struggle. I think the second movie portrayed this the best. Both movies had merit in their own ways. I will always be fond of the hulk's plane ride from the first movie.
 
That movie finally made me realize that the basic premise of the Hulk series is flawed.

I would counter that it's not flawed enough to produce a monthly comic for over 40 years, and a highly rated (and now cult classic) television show.

Every premise has potential depending on the execution. I for one thought the execution was done much better on the first movie, and left much to be desired on the second. Sure, it was entertaining, but also quite empty.
 
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