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The Captain Edward Jellico Appreciation Society Thread!

In your opinion was Jellico a good or a bad Captain?


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Philip Guyott

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Why Captain Jellico is actually pretty awesome:

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This video has confirmed something which I have always known to be true but just wasn’t ready to admit it to myself. Captain Edward Jellico is a good Captain who was placed in a very difficult situation and got the job done. What do you think?
 
Captain Jellico is a fine captain. I've never doubted it. But I do think Jellico went in too hot with his enthusiasm for being on a Galaxy class ship and the dazed Riker - used to Picard - more culpably performed well below par. A major bust-up within the command chain is not what you want in the middle of a crucial mission.

And Admiral Nastypants should've let Jellico do his thing but from his own ship. Then the mission would've got on more smoothly.
 
Jellico was a good captain.

The script for the episode takes great pains to try to portray him as some sort of villain but, in my eyes at least, only manages to show how petty, immature, and unprofessional the Enterprise regulars could be when they put their minds to it. How Riker EVER got command of a starship after his performance under Jellico's command boggles the imagination.
 
Jellico expected too much and too fast from the crew in a possibly dangerous situation.

On a mission that may prevent a war, don't start changing crew rotations and change everything, maybe that can wait until you've avoided the war with a crew that is in a familiar surrounding.
 
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Bullshit. On a mission to prevent a war you everything and/or anything necessary to prepare for the worst-case scenario. What you don't do is go to your room and pout until you get your way. The crew are the ones that needed to be adapting to their CO and mission, not the other way around.
 
I'm sure that Jellico's original crew (on the Cairo) would have told a much different story of him than the Enterprise crew did. The Cairo crew would have been used to his leadership and would be ready for his orders at all times, without question - just like the Enterprise crew should have been.

The simple fact is, people who hate Jellico (in or out of universe) hate him simply because he isn't Picard.
 
I'm sure that Jellico's original crew (on the Cairo) would have told a much different story of him than the Enterprise crew did. The Cairo crew would have been used to his leadership and would be ready for his orders at all times, without question - just like the Enterprise crew should have been.

The simple fact is, people who hate Jellico (in or out of universe) hate him simply because he isn't Picard.
People forget that he was the one who saved Picard's life!
 
RonnyCox is awesome, Jellico was an interesting character, probably a good Starfleet officer and REMF captain and strategist, might be a decent captain for a smaller star ship, but he was a terrible galaxy class\ capital starship captain. But he was written that way, to make Picard look awesome.
 
From a formal perspective and how Starfleet must view these things is that the crew of the Enterprise aren't the easy-going staff of a pleasure liner or even a business. They need to be able to adjust to high pressure situations immediately and that includes the eventuality of a new captain. Sometimes the luxury of a 'get-to-know-you' period just isn't available. They need to be able to adjust to the radically different "riding crop" command style of Jellico in an instant and adjust to his pace. No backtalkin' "just get it done" as the man himself says. I don't think that's in dispute by anyone is it?

From the perspective of human relations (which is not a formal/legal thing) or as students of a case study in captaincy. We may remark that a different approach from Jellico may have might have (or might not have) gone some way to avoid the bust up that subsequently happened. Making evaluations like this is no real different from academics or commentators scrutinising the style, decisions or temperament of a commander, say in a historical battle.

I sometimes watch the Ensign Ro and the Hollow Pursuits episodes where there's some peacock grandstanding over Barclay and Ro where they announce "we're the best crew in the fleet -- and who are these wasters?" Sometimes I reflect there's a man I know by the name of Jellico and one fine day he's gonna show you cocky characters up. ;)
 
Here's the thing, though - Starfleet ain't the military. If someone wants to resign their commission, or put in for transfers. they can. The Enterprise is a ship of exploration, and protecting primadonnas full time may not be, as Riker once put it, "the mission I signed up for." Piss off enough staff hard enough and now you've got to replace your whole command staff - during an intragalactic crisis.

This wasn't about Jellico's command style or his longterm needs as a captain of a vessel - this was a temporary assignment for him - which he ultimately did, in fact, surrender. While there is a need to establish a clear leadership, redesigning the whole organizational culture during a crisis is something of a tower of mashed potatoes.

You can take charge of people who have a well-established rapport and system in place without a) being a dick to them, and b) threatening the ship by experimenting with new organizational structures and creating obvious disgruntlement just when you need everyone operating at peak efficiency.

Starfleet can replace the entire crew - but today? It was an unnecessary shakeup, sort of like repainting the house to fix the sink. Wasteful and inefficient, only appearing effective but not reaching its own goals of 1) maximizing crew operational efficiency in a crisis and 2) creating a viable longterm organizational culture.

Jellico made it about himself at the wrong damned time, and that may be why he couldn't hold onto that command, since obviously the crew was satisfied with having Picard back in place, and didn't suggest he go tottering elsewhere. And that's not familiarity, that is a clear preference for the leadership and organizational style that they are fully aware of being ultimately, the more effective. Granted, big shoes to fill - but compare with RIker taking over the Enterprise during the Borg invasion of Wolf 359 - he managed to succeed without rotating crew shifts and dicking about people's clothes.

Longterm - hardass, effective, and probably lots of crew turnover, since who wants to live like a puppet except a bunch of inexperienced ensigns, not experienced pros who need leeway to function at their optimum.
Short term - rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. The comparison with riding crop cuckold Stiles is not that far off the mark.

Even broken clocks are right twice a day. He got lucky. He could just as easily been left without half the staff.

(Great actor, love his work in Gate too).
 
The only decision that he made that I could understand might be difficult is going from a three to four shift rotation. It means shorter shifts and a longer rest period, so that is good. However he would need more crew to fill the fourth shift, unless you had some people working double shifts. But every other decision he made was pretty reasonable. As a result he saved the day.

His command did have at least one lasting impact upon the Enterprise crew as counsellor Troy continued to wear her uniform after Jellico had left, and quite right too. :)
Starfleet ain't the military
There not a military organization insofar as they have other priorities such as scientific exploration. But then again they can not be described a civilian service either.

If they are not really a military organization, how come people can be ordered to their death and they are expected to obey? Why can’t they just say, “Sorry, I resign.” How can a civilian be court-martialed?
On some level Starfleet is either a military or at least a quasi-military organization.
 
We've seen Jellico in action in only one occasion so it's hard to tell if he's a good captain.

As a person... Difficult?
 
There not a military organization insofar as they have other priorities such as scientific exploration. But then again they can not be described a civilian service either.

If they are not really a military organization, how come people can be ordered to their death and they are expected to obey? Why can’t they just say, “Sorry, I resign.” How can a civilian be court-martialed?
On some level Starfleet is either a military or at least a quasi-military organization.

By pitching your communicator and transporting off the ship whenever the hell you want? This we have seen. Crew griping about their remaining tour period, not so much. Well, except for Voyager's Mortimer Harren, who made it clear he would be long gone if in transporter range of the AQ.

Volunteers can be ordered to their deaths for the same reasons they signed up in the first place. Strip their actions of meaning, and - your question is pertinent, indeed. Even in real, fully military organizations.
 
I'd say Jellico is a great captain but he doesn't indulge anyone and the entry "doesn't take fools gladly" has a small picture of his stern face correcting you on your posture. Reg Barclay he would personally bundle out of the airlock on sight with none of this Picard-esque "let's give 'im a 2nd chance" malarky. I wonder how he'd react to Ensign Ro mind you. ;)

Not one whit of tolerance is given over to ditherers and fools.That said, if you matched his platinum standards and earned his respect, I suspect you'd earn a cast-iron friend. A real George S Patton type, warts and all.
 
So now they are fools? And even Reg saved them all from destruction, and made vital contributions in SAVING PLANET EARTH FROM ASSIMILATION - on several occasions. Who is the fool? The prideful micromanager, that is who.
 
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So now they are fools? And even Reg saved them all from destruction, and made vital contributions in SAVING PLANET EARTH FROM ASSIMILATION - on several occasions. Who is the fool? The prideful, that is who.
Well, Reg is a ditherer -- not a fool. It's difficult to grant him the virtue of wisdom given the debacle when he was conned later over on Voyager mind you. But let's neither be too unkind nor go too off-topic.
 
We've seen Jellico in action in only one occasion so it's hard to tell if he's a good captain.

As a person... Difficult?

I'm not too sure about that. As soon as he was beamed aboard, he seemed pretty eager to work with the crew of the Enterprise. He let his concerns and wishes be known to the "finest first officer in the Fleet," according to Picard. It is only after repeated hemming and hawing by Riker and the whining of the senior staff that Jellico starts getting irritable (understandably). As far as he knows, he's getting ready to go to war against the Cardassians with a crew of crybabies that won't follow his orders. How is he supposed to act?

And what if Picard had been killed and Jellico remained captain? Would Riker have been content sulking in his quarters while reading and feeling sorry for himself?

I'm sorry, but I rewatched this episode recently, and the entire crew is in the wrong. Sure, Jellico may have been a bit of a prick to the Cardassian delegation, but every request he made of Riker and LaForge seemed pretty reasonable to follow through with, if only he wasn't met with constant whining and excuses.

And, for the record, Jellico is the man :)
 
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