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Tell me about Titan

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I've been enjoying the NF series a great deal. The same goes for Vanguard. Of course nothing lasts forever and I'll be finished all of them pretty soon. Thing is I had my eye on Titan before I got back into Trek lit but have been thrown off by often unenthusiastic Amazon reviews. (I tend to trust the Trek ones cause they seem to be from die hard fans)

How is Titan similar to a series like NF or Vanguard? How is it different? Is it arc heavy? Does it have the sensibilities of what we think of as more traditional Trek? More emphasis on science? Does Titan get grandiose and weird like Mack can? (cause I love that stuff:scream:)
 
Wow, that's a really complex question. Personally I'd say it's a little more on the NF side of the spectrum but it definitely doesn't go to the extremes of NF. It's certainly alot more standalone than Vanguard, although it does have character/relationship arcs that continue on from book to book. Of any of the Trek series it probably the most focused on science and new discoveries, mostly due to the fact that they are off exploring an unexplored reagon of space. It also has some of the most diverse types of stories, from Christopher Bennett's two very science heavy entry's to Geoff Thorne's time travel mindf**k.
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I'm honestly 50/50 on the entire Titan series.

I really do like the diverse crew. I personally believe the command crew meshes well together.

As for the stories themselves...I think they're decent. The last Titan novel, Over the Torrent Sea, was perhaps my least favorite of the Titan series. Just not my cup of tea though I wouldn't say I hated it.

As the poster above said, the Titan series revolves around the Titan exploring the Beta Quadrant. It's similar to how the Excalibur explored Sector 221-G buttttt...it's way more scientific then the New Frontier novels were. If you're really into the science of the exploration of planets or species, the Titan novels are for you.
 
Titan's about refocusing on Starfleet's goal of exploration - the Titan is on a peaceful mission of scientific exploration. There's a superficial similarity to New Frontier's early books in that it's focusing on one ship that's on the edges of the Federation, but beyond that, there aren't really many comparisons to be made between the two - both are made up of their own different stories. It's low on fighting and shooting and killing, but focusing a lot on both the characters and their reactions to the unexplored and unknown they encounter.

If I had to boil it down to the simplest description, I'd probably say it's TNG style stories (exploring, science, etc) with DS9 style character arcs.

Also, just a note, the Star Trek Destiny trilogy also involve the Titan crew, taking place in between Sword of Damocles and Over A Torrent Sea, so if you do pick up Titan, you probably would want to pick up Destiny as well.
 
Titan is the most uncompromisingly sci-fi of all the Trek lines; where Vanguard heads towards HBO-grit and epic, Titan heads toward Arthur C. Clarke-wonder and depth. The low reviews, I think, demonstrate not that the Titan series is bad, but just that it's very specific and not everyone's cup of tea. I'd argue it's probably the least accessible Trek series.

But that said, I love Titan; it's heavy stuff, lots of complicated emotions and teary renewals and huge ecosystems with insane creatures and concepts, and Sword Of Damocles has the hardest prose of any Trek book I've read, but that all creates a certain kind of heady intellectual joy at its best.

Give it a shot. But don't judge much with the first two; I think the series starting with CLB's first novel and running through Sword, Destiny, and Torrent Sea is of a bit of a different flavor than the two stories it starts out with.

Oh, and yeah, don't you DARE pass up Destiny :) After you read Sword Of Damocles, you'll probably want to get TNG: Greater Than The Sum to get you up to speed on the TNG ongoing storyline (that book is a thorough introduction that'll bring you up to speed on anything important you missed) and then Destiny will knock your socks off.
 
I thought the introductionary two-parter was quite good, but CLB's subsequent Orion's Hounds blew me away. It was like channeling the wonderous spirit of early TNG with modern sensitivity. Sword of Democles was decent IMO.

I'm currently reading Over a Torrent Sea, and I find it okay. Nothing too spectacular and a bit too much on the "world building" side (it could be that I expected things to change a bit after Destiny, the mother-of-all-Trek-epics, and things returned to form too quickly IMO).
 
Is it arc heavy?

No. It's TNG-style or early DS9-style storytelling -- each episode is self-contained (aside from the Destiny 3-parter), but the characters and their relationships develop over time.

Does it have the sensibilities of what we think of as more traditional Trek?

It's definitely intended to. Aside from Taking Wing and parts of Destiny, it's more purely about exploration than any other original-to-novels series, and arguably more so than many of the TV series. TNG was originally supposed to be about a ship on a long-term mission deep into uncharted space, but ended up being about a ship that spent most of its time in known space on diplomatic and humanitarian missions. Titan is fulfilling the mission the Enterprise-D was supposed to have.

More emphasis on science? Does Titan get grandiose and weird like Mack can? (cause I love that stuff:scream:)

Yes, yes, and yes.
 
Also, just a note, the Star Trek Destiny trilogy also involve the Titan crew, taking place in between Sword of Damocles and Over A Torrent Sea, so if you do pick up Titan, you probably would want to pick up Destiny as well.

I actually have read the Destiny Trilogy. Loved it. That's partly what I kind of meant by Mack's tendency to get grandiose. But he hasn't written for Titan. I wasn't sure if it was a normal example of a Titan adventure as every crew really served the same overall plot.

Great answers. Thanks so much. I'm sure I'll try it. I do have the desire to try Orion's Hounds first. I have heard such good things about that book. I've found so many readers that have some trouble with the first couple of books in the series. Not sure why. This is why I've wondered about the arc heavy thing.
 
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Titan is great stuff. I agree with Thrawn's assessment of the books being more hard sci-fi than any of the other treklit series, but that's why I love it. I was glad when the editors/writers behind the various Titan novels didn't make the book just a TNG rip off by having Riker/Troi doing the same things that they were doing in the TNG books. Having Tuvok join the crew and having some other recognizable characters like Melora Pazlar, Ranul Keru, Alyssa Ogawa, and Christine Vale on board as well, has made the series feel familiar at the same time as feeling totally new.

The first two books by Michael Martin and Andy Mangels are different from the books that followed, but that was needed. Riker and his crew helped deal with the post-Nemesis Romulan political situation that was aluded to at the end of Nemesis in Taking Wing (#1). In The Red King (#2) Titan sets out on a mission of exploration only to get "Voyagered" (in a way) to the SMC for a bit. This book was really a sequel of sorts to M&M's Lost Era novel, The Sundered, so reviews are often in the negative as not as many people have read that TLE book.

The first two books introduce us to the plethora of characters and species that populate Titan (the most diverse in SF), and show us how this crew came together and found their identity as a ship.

Hope you enjoy the series :)
 
I actually have read the Destiny Trilogy. Loved it. That's partly what I kind of meant by Mack's tendency to get grandiose. But he hasn't written for Titan. I wasn't sure if it was a normal example of a Titan adventure as every crew really served the same overall plot.

The Titan portions of Destiny are a good fit for the spirit of the Titan series, because it's those characters who are most heavily involved with the discovery and in-depth exploration of a really exotic and fascinating alien civilization. So their role in the story is well-suited to their specialty, as it were.


I've found so many readers that have some trouble with the first couple of books in the series. Not sure why. This is why I've wondered about the arc heavy thing.

The first two books have a loose arc connecting them; they tell different stories but there are plot and character threads in Taking Wing that aren't resolved until The Red King. Together, they make up sort of a prologue to the series. I approached Orion's Hounds as a sort of "second pilot," the beginning of the ship's true mission.
 
I've only read the first book, Taking Wing, so I may or may not be the right person to recommend the series, but I enjoyed it enough that I plan to continue on. Right now Vanguard, which I'm about half-way through, is my favorite and I want to finish up the Errand of Vengeance trilogy, so further Titan reading will be delayed a while, but I enjoyed the first book enough that I want to go back and read the earlier Mangles/Martin books that have related characters.
 
I'm honestly 50/50 on the entire Titan series.

I really do like the diverse crew. I personally believe the command crew meshes well together.

As for the stories themselves...I think they're decent. The last Titan novel, Over the Torrent Sea, was perhaps my least favorite of the Titan series. Just not my cup of tea though I wouldn't say I hated it.

As the poster above said, the Titan series revolves around the Titan exploring the Beta Quadrant. It's similar to how the Excalibur explored Sector 221-G buttttt...it's way more scientific then the New Frontier novels were. If you're really into the science of the exploration of planets or species, the Titan novels are for you.

I have not read OTS yet, it is next on the list, but I agree with everything the above poster stated. The stories are hit and miss. Nothing really keeping you on edge to get to that next page.

The concept is great and I am hoping it gets better and better because I am missing my TNG pre-Data books badly.
 
I think I should also say that as much as I love the other series, and their casts Titan's cast is probably my favorite. Most of the other series I mainly enjoy for their stories, while with Titan it's mainly the characters. Now that's not to say that I don't really like the stories in the Titan books, and the casts of the other series because I really do.
 
**SPOILER** I've read the first three novels only. Titan is nicely written to be sure, I especially enjoyed the interplay between Riker and Troy, also watching Riker build his crew, which we've never really seen in any star trek novel. But they includes more than a few turn-off as well. During a funeral service Captain Riker engages in a act of ceremonal cannibalism, which I thought was very out of charactor. Orions' Hounds as allegory for the evil hunting of whales couldn't of been more heavy handed. And as other have noted, the series could easily be nick-named either sex trek, or gay trek - I thought it was a bit much - and I'm gay.
 
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I love Titan. It is, for me, the way Star Trek should be, and the way I remember experiencing watching TNG as a child; visiting unexplored worlds with a continually interesting and diverse crew, and engaging in brilliant science fiction concepts.

So far, I have been thrilled by every novel, and cannot find fault with the series. I've actually enjoyed every new novel more than the one before, however I wasn't much of a fan of Destiny, but that trilogy is not exclusively Titan. It's become my favorite series! :D

I'm thrilled to see Riker as Captain, not only because he is a damned fine one, but also because he retains everything that is "Riker" about him. He hasn't just become another generic captain, or changed to become what is basically Picard.

I really hope the series becomes a permanent fixture among new Trek book releases, and doesn't fizzle out like Stargazer did, or slow down as New Frontier has done.

Long live Titan! :bolian:
 
But they includes more than a few turn-off as well. During a funeral service Captain Riker engages in a act of ceremonal cannibalism, which I thought was very out of charactor.

I wouldn't say that. Riker has always been portrayed as a character who's very open to alien value systems.

And was it really "cannibalism?" Sure, he put a bit of the dead crewperson's ashes on his tongue. But how many times do you imagine that, at ceremonies where people's ashes get scattered to the winds, some of the guests end up inhaling or swallowing some of the ashes accidentally? And let's not forget that the matter in a dead body will be reintroduced into the ecosystem through decay processes and end up in plants and animals that we eat. As Hamlet said, "A man may fish with the worm that hath eat of a king, and eat of the fish that hath fed of that worm." In that sense, we're all cannibals.


Orions' Hounds as allegory for the evil hunting of whales couldn't of been more heavy handed.

Oh, it definitely could've been far more heavy-handed. I made my best effort to present both sides of the issue fairly, even though I personally couldn't have disagreed more with the Pa'haquel's views and lifestyle. If I'd wanted a one-sided polemic, the Pa'haquel would've been overt, irredeemable villains, there wouldn't have been any noble members of their society like Qui'hibra and his daughter, and I would've said they were doing it merely for sport rather than depending on the hunt for their very survival.

And as other have noted, the series could easily be nick-named either sex trek, or gay trek - I thought it was a bit much - and I'm gay.

Remind me -- have we actually seen any gay sex scenes in Titan? I don't recall any. We've seen Keru grieving for his lost lifemate. We've seen Norellis flirting with Keru and failing miserably. We've seen vague hints of flirtation between Keru and Radowski (and with an unnamed person at the end of Sword of Damocles who may or may not have been Radowski). Over a Torrent Sea alluded to Aili Lavena being bisexual (or rather omnisexual), but only in passing. I think maybe Loolooa Tereshini might have been hinted to be lesbian, but I could be wrong.

On the other hand, we have Riker and Troi as a married couple, and they've had multiple love scenes together. We have Tuvok married to T'Pel. We have Olivia and Axel Bolaji, another heterosexual married couple. We've had a liaison between Vale and Jaza. We have Pazlar and Ra-Havreii in a heavy relationship, and before that, we've seen Ra-Havreii involved casually with Lavena and having casual sex and flirtations with many female crewmates. We've seen Dakal beginning a relationship with Hsuuri. We've seen Tamen Gibruch flirting with Pava. We've seen Ree flirting with a female alien.

So while there's a pretty healthy amount of sex and flirtation going on aboard Titan, it's overwhelmingly heterosexual. We've seen multiple scenes and storylines revolving around heterosexual relationships and liaisons, but we have yet to see a single scene focusing directly on an active, current romance or relationship between two people of the same sex. If anything, Titan falls well behind Vanguard, in which two of the major female characters have had an ongoing sexual relationship including at least one bedroom scene.
 
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