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Spoilers Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows - Grading & Discussion

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Michelangelo, Donatello, Leonardo, and Raphael return to theaters this summer to battle bigger, badder villains, alongside April O’Neil, Vern Fenwick, and a newcomer: the hockey-masked vigilante Casey Jones. After supervillain Shredder escapes custody, he joins forces with mad scientist Baxter Stockman and two dimwitted henchmen, Bebop and Rocksteady, to unleash a diabolical plan to take over the world. As the Turtles prepare to take on Shredder and his new crew, they find themselves facing an even greater evil with similar intentions: the notorious Krang. - CINEMABLEND

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The movie opens in the UK on May 30th.

Shredder will be played by a new guy named Brian Tee.

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Don't know if William Fichtner will be back.

Judith Hoag will be making an appearance. She played April O'Neil in the 1990 film.

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Fitchner is back.

The only actors not returning are Johnny Knoxville (voice of Leo), Tohoro Masamune (Shredder), and Minae Noji (Karai).

And, yes, Brian Tee's Shredder is the same character from Film 1. Michelangelo refers to the character as a "robot Samurai" (as seen in one of the TV spots) at some point in the film.
 
Fichtner/Sachs and Hoag:

Fichtner is not in the movie or even mentioned. Neither is Judith Hoag apparently, even though she filmed scenes.

This is from a user on the technodrome forums who saw an advanced screening.
 
^ Hmm. Fitchner was confirmed to be returning, and is listed as part of the official cast everywhere that I have seen.
 
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I only wish Judith were playing April in these movies. ...Or almost anyone but Megan Fox. When I watched the first one all I could think was that April's two-scene roommate (Abby Elliott) was more interesting and likeable than April was.

Anyway, fingers crossed this one will be okay. It's a shoo-in that it will be better than the first, but by how much?
 
Fichtner/Sachs and Hoag:

Fichtner is not in the movie or even mentioned. Neither is Judith Hoag apparently, even though she filmed scenes.

This is from a user on the technodrome forums who saw an advanced screening.
If that's true, and they didn't put her back it, then that's a real shame.

Fitchner was confirmed to be returning, and is listed as part of the official cast everywhere that I have seen.
I heard that he'd be returning too but then I saw that the source was from 2014. He was contracted for more movies but perhaps they just didn't need him now.

Anyway, fingers crossed this one will be okay. It's a shoo-in that it will be better than the first, but by how much?
A lot of people have said that this looks good and a lot of fun but to me, it looks like they turned up the campiness like they did with the 1991 sequel.
 
A lot of people have said that this looks good and a lot of fun but to me, it looks like they turned up the campiness like they did with the 1991 sequel.
I do worry about that too. The certainty I had when they first started making it has been leeched away with each trailer, but I still stubbornly want it to be good. :)

The first one wasn't even close to TMNT 1990 for me, so if this one is a bit like TMNT2, that could still make it better than the first. Maybe.
 
I enjoy the nostalgia of the '80s cartoon, but apart from the opening five episodes it's pretty rank.
 
I only wish Judith were playing April in these movies. ...Or almost anyone but Megan Fox. When I watched the first one all I could think was that April's two-scene roommate (Abby Elliott) was more interesting and likeable than April was.
Saw the 2014 movie again and my opinion of Fox is the same. She's serviceable in the role and plays her part. She wasn't who I would have imagined as April O'Neil though.

I was thinking the other day... Who could play her? Couldn't think of anyone and then someone at the IMDb suggested Anna Kendrick and I though, yeah, she could have worked.

Oh yeah, and the turtles are too big to fit in a manhole.

Felt like a live action version of the cartoon!
Everything I've seen does make it look that way.
 
Saw it in 2D. Here's my assessment...

The Movie: Yep. It's very close to being a live-action version of the 80s cartoon, though the voices of the characters were different. It tries for some substance by touching on the Turtles being relegated to a life of secrecy but otherwise, the story is pretty simple and cartoonish as well, more so than the 2014 movie. The end fight was also pretty much pure CGI. Turtles vs Krang on the Technodrome.

The Turtles: Like with the first movie, they weren't fully developed but you could see their individual personalities amidst the noise, jokes and camaraderie. They were also introduced as Leo, Donnie, Raph and Mickey. It was actually a nice little touch.

April O'Neil: There was no April O'Neil as you know her. We only got Hot Megan Fox™ being hot and sexy. Pure and deliberate eye candy. I'm not complaining mind you because she is hot but if you're expecting any semblance of the reporter character, she's not there. Otherwise, Fox once again plays the human foil and immerses herself into the action well enough. Judith Hoag was supposed to be there but her scene was indeed cut and I could see why. As unfortunate as it was, it would have felt shoehorned in.

Casey Jones: Not really Casey Jones as we know him from the cartoon or the 1990 movie. He's pretty much just Stephen Amell. There were a few moments of the mask-wearing hockey stick wielding guy but not a whole lot and not with the characterization we're familiar with.

Shredder: They tweaked him for this movie. He's not really the same guy we saw in the 2014 movie. He's also pretty cartoonish in his motives.

Rocksteady & Bebop: Pretty much true to the cartoon.

Baxter Stockman: Totally wasted. They set him up pretty well, then relegated him to being a hired hand for Shredder. He would have been better served as a main villain in his own right. And maybe they could have done something with the mousers as well. I'd say that there's time for that in a future installment but I'd have a hard time taking the character seriously now.

Nitpicks: No Eric Sachs. The story dealt with the fallout from the first movie so his presence would have been both welcome and important but they clearly wanted to include some new characters and having him would have made things pretty crowded.

The Movie-Going Experience: Awful. Halfway through the movie, a socially awkward guy walked in and sat beside me even though the theatre was nearly empty with everyone evenly spaced. I couldn't focus on the movie for a good 20 minutes to half an hour because of it and I didn't want to show my annoyance by moving. Suckling his super-sized drink didn't help matters either. I managed to settle down and get back into the movie though. I wonder what was up with that guy though.
 
Tenenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows

My Grade: C.... Flat C.
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Somewhere in this there is a movie....

Not a good movie. Not necessarily a bad movie. But a movie.

But what we have here feels like someone shipped something across the country, overnight, via some cheap parcel service and not only did they not pay extra for package insurance but they didn't pack the item properly. So what ends up at the destination is a damaged mess that someone has to attempt to piece back together with off-brand superglue.

This is a 30-year-old Lego set bought on eBay, shipped by the aforementioned manner and when you get it not only are the instructions missing but most of the pieces are too.

This movie is, mercifully, under two hours long which is either a blessing or part of the problem.

The movie takes place some indeterminate period of time after the events of the first movie and some indeterminate things have happened. It feels like watching a TV series on DVD and one of the discs is missing so you lost a block of episodes. The Turtles have swapped out their party-van from the end of the last movie for a garbage truck with various features on it reminiscent of the toy from the '80s, April -presumably- has gotten her job back at the news station while also performing under-cover reconnaissance for the turtles for... some reason. Vernon has somehow sold himself as the one solely responsible for saving the city at the end of the last movie even though anyone with a brain would figure out how hugely unlikely that is (considering how Shredder would have been recovered) and that the Turtles should have been very clearly seen at the end of the movie landing with the tower. And for some reason the April and the turtles are interested in the actions of one Baxter Stockman.

Shredder has been imprisoned and changed from an imposing, shadowy, fierce-and-bald massive figure to an average-sized Japanese man and is being held in a prison but soon to be transfered to another facility, Stockman hatches into motion a plan to intercept the convoy transferring him and free Shredder. Things sort-of go wrong and Shredder ends up in the presence of Krang (a brain-shaped alien in a exosuit body) who wants Shredder's help in gathering up pieces of some alien technology that'll allow Krang to move his war-machine the Technodrome into or dimension so he can conquer the Earth. Krang then gives us a wacky bit of comic relief before disappearing until the end of the movie. Shredder uses a formula given to him by Krang to turn two escaped cons into animal beasts to help fight the turtles. Bebop (a warthog) and Rocksteady (a rhinoceros.)

The turtles struggle with living in the shadows, not allowed to be seen by people, while they save the world from evil brain-blobs and insane samurai with unclear motivations to conquer the world.

What we end up with is a movie with missing elements that, ultimately, feels like the thin idea of a story used when you used to play with your action figures. "Uhh, Shredder wants to do something mean and evil, the turtles make quips and there's a FIGHT!"

The turtles have more of a presence here than they did in the last movie but it's still sort of flat, they mostly repeat things already explained to us by other characters and the story and to pretty much say things that only contribute to the "arc" they're on with struggling between wanting to be part of the human world but remaining who they are.

Oh, and Casey Jones, who only shares the name with his comic book/TV show counterpart. He's a security guard who wants to be a cop but he's too much of a screw up to really get there. He's good at low-rent Shia LeBouf comedic antics.

April O'Neil has an ass that's often in skinny jeans.

It's odd that TMNT is treated and used so much as a "kid's property" when there's little reason it should be other than the popularity of the 1980s/90s cartoon and toyline. Virtually every other incarnation of the turtles has been more serious, the comics (excluding the Archie comics series based around the cartoon series) follow up cartoons (excluding the short-lived live-action show) they've all be fairly serious and straight; on par with most other comic book titles.

In the current version of the comics Splinter and the turtles are reincarnations of a man and his sons from feudal Japan, Shredder a reincarnation of the man who killed Splinter (Humato Yoshi), his wife and sons. Casey the son of an abusive father living a rough life, and April a college intern at the lab where the turtles and Splinter were exposed to the experiments that granted them humanoid form.

The current comic line is fairly dark and "realistic" in line with the original comic series but also manages to find some link to their cartoon versions between the color-coded bandannas and trademark personalities (leader, techno-geek, wacky comic relief, rage-aholic.)

There's chances and opportunity to do the property seriously but, for some reason, the studios in charge of the franchise right now, along with producer Michael Bay are content with, well, smashing together action figures without any real reason for anything to happen.

There's a lot wasted here. Shredder is better used and presented than the shoe-horned in version in the previous movie, Krang is almost an after-thought, and Casey Jones was a complete waste. They didn't need to make him bat-shit crazy like he was in the toon, or as grim of character as he was in either version of the comics but something on-par with how he was done in the original movie franchise would have been good. I really like how he was handled there.

Bebop and Rocksteady are done fairly well but the CGI doesn't entirely work, just like with the turtles. It just looks... fake. Which it's CGI, yeah, but it still look manufactured and not really part of the scene. The "test versions" that presumably were made leading up to the first movie were better designs. Their personalities and such are pretty good and on par with the cartoon series, however.

And the use of the Technodrome is sort of wasted here, we never really get to fully see it and, well, the whole thing is sort-of hollow.

I dunno, the first movie I felt was okay. It wasn't as bad as I was expecting, it wasn't a "good" movie but just okay. I sort of fall that way here, but maybe short since this movie could've been better; the first movie a chance to shake out the bugs and to see what sticks and works. Here? It's like they learned nothing and pretty much just took the worst parts of the first movie and doubled down on them and sort of backed off on the stuff that did work.

So, I rate this a movie one CGI barrel of spaghetti.
 
The movie takes place some indeterminate period of time after the events of the first movie and some indeterminate things have happened.
During the basketball game when Vernon was introduced, they said it was one year later. Gotta keep the turtles in their teens.
 
Here? It's like they learned nothing and pretty much just took the worst parts of the first movie and doubled down on them and sort of backed off on the stuff that did work.
Which is how I feel about the Transformers movies too, so I'm not surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised.
 
Thy did accomplish what they set out to do, which was to make the 80s cartoon, with liberties taken with April and Casey to make the movie more marketable.
 
Thy did accomplish what they set out to do, which was to make the 80s cartoon, with liberties taken with April and Casey to make the movie more marketable.

I... guess. But the thing about the 80's cartoon is that it was FUN and the characters had a lot more development, time and motivation and there was a little less nonsensical BS. And, I know, I know, it's easy to look back and say that; but I've watched episodes of the old cartoon in my adult life and it has problems and flaws; but if you watch the first episode/arc/batch of episodes there's more character development, better character treatment and a bit more "dramatic depth" to it than both of these movies combined.

Liberties I'll take and am fine with. Vernon in these movies has little in common with his cartoon counterpart but I actually like Vernon in these movies and what Arnett is doing. But there's just also a lot of BS in it, this more like the cartoon in the later years when the kids it caught early on were too old to be watching cartoons now and they were grasping at anything to try and stay afloat.

And I can see taking "liberties" with Casey over the cartoon, In the cartoon he wasn't really an ally or even a character he was just a lunatic sociopath. But what they do with Casey here is nothing. They pretty much take "Robin" from the '97 movie and give him Casey Jones's name and a ceremonial wearing of the hockey mask for one damn scene. After that? He's just sort of a narrative pest.
 
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