News Syncing Star Trek: Discovery With Short Treks: Calypso

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A new news article has been published at TrekToday:

Fans waiting for Season Four of Star Trek: Discovery have more of an idea of what to expect next season. Note: Spoilers...

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[Dukhat]

So we just fast-forwarded 900 years, and now they’re going to fast forward another 1,000?

 

[Lord Garth]

So we just fast-forwarded 900 years, and now they’re going to fast forward another 1,000?

If that's what happens, look at it this way: at least we'll lose those new uniforms. The more I see them, the less I like them. I would've taken any official bullshit excuse to stick with the old uniforms.

 

[Dukhat]

The only two issues I have are the ship looking different, and the use of the slang term ‘V’Draysh’ 1,000 years before it was used in Calypso (a slang term, I might add, that was only used one time, by one guy, who also referred to the Federation as such every other time he mentioned it.)

That is, of course, if Calypso truly takes place 1,000 years after DSC season 3. I have a feeling that they’re just going to awkwardly shoehorn it in.

 

[nic3636]

I really don't think Kurtzman and Paradise should feel obligated to tie in to this short trek. The fact that they do concerns me. The seasons are already too short and they already take too much of a checklist style approach to storytelling, so this would be one more item on a checklist that is already too big.

That being said, if they have killer idea for this then go for it.

 

[nic3636]

"Fans of Gray (Ian Alexander) are hoping that the character will become visible to everyone, and Paradise confirms that their hope will not be in vain. “Representation matters,” she said. “It matters to see a version of yourself on screen. It matters there are non-binary and transgender characters…And to be super clear, we will pay that moment off in Season Four. Gray will be seen. That promise will be paid off.”"

I'm not sure if it's how the article was put together but Paradise is making it sound like the only purpose of Gray and Adira is to have a trans and non-binary character in the story, then goes on to spoil the plot? Maybe it's how the article was written, just seemed odd to call that out that way.

 

[Tuskin38]

"Fans of Gray (Ian Alexander) are hoping that the character will become visible to everyone, and Paradise confirms that their hope will not be in vain. “Representation matters,” she said. “It matters to see a version of yourself on screen. It matters there are non-binary and transgender characters…And to be super clear, we will pay that moment off in Season Four. Gray will be seen. That promise will be paid off.”"

I'm not sure if it's how the article was put together but Paradise is making it sound like the only purpose of Gray and Adira is to have a trans and non-binary character in the story, then goes on to spoil the plot? Maybe it's how the article was written, just seemed odd to call that out that way.

They already showed in Season 3 that it is possible, so it really isn't a surprise.

 

[nic3636]

They already showed in Season 3 that it is possible, so it really isn't a surprise.

True, but it wasn't completely outside the realm of possibility (but I agree it was highly unlikely). I still don't understand why you would say it to begin with.

 

[nic3636]

Just to add, they were doing the same thing with Saru, saying "don't worry, Saru will definitely be back". At the end of the day it's a minor thing I don't really care about but since the article was short I don't really have anything else to talk about, and just strikes me as odd to say these kinds of things. I get they are obvious things to say, but then, why say them? Maybe it's just trying to fill up an interview with things to say.

 

[fireproof78]

Because they don't trust the audience. They have to spell it out otherwise people will go "They didn't mention Saru!" and other flagellation of the fandemic kind.

 

[nic3636]

Because they don't trust the audience. They have to spell it out otherwise people will go "They didn't mention Saru!" and other flagellation of the fandemic kind.

Must be. I'm not aware of any issues with the fans, are you?

 

[Lord Garth]

Must be. I'm not aware of any issues with the fans, are you?

You registered two weeks ago. I've been here 21 years. Give it some time. You'll see what he meant.

 

[Yistaan]

So we just fast-forwarded 900 years, and now they’re going to fast forward another 1,000?

I agree that the story moving to the 42nd century without even fully exploring the 32nd century is going to be grating to audiences. I suppose there are ways around it, as I joked below.

Craft shows up out of nowhere and tries to destroy Federation HQ (he's at war with the V'Draysh remember), but is only stopped by the appearance of Discovery, which he recognizes. However Discovery and the sphere data have no idea who Craft is (wibbly wobbly timey wimey), leading the crew and Vance to realize, to their horror, that to preserve their timeline they have to break the ban on time travel, as they now know Discovery has to be sent back in time 1,000 years to explain Craft's recognition.

Vance reluctantly allows Discovery to be sent back in time. However, an assimilated Detmer (who looks like a Borg anyway) was aboard when it was sent back, and Detmer thus becomes the first Borg queen (meaning the Borg have no origin and in fact are a temporal ontological paradox).

 

[fireproof78]

Must be. I'm not aware of any issues with the fans, are you?

Not sure if serious...

 

[Biggles]

So we just fast-forwarded 900 years, and now they’re going to fast forward another 1,000?

I don't see any suggestion of that. Just that Calypso is confirmed as still canon, so they are factoring that vague endpoint into how Zora and the ship develop during the run of the show (meaning the fan retcon theory about programmable matter is probably going to be correct). I very much doubt we will go any further into the future during DSC's run (other than maybe more Short Treks set in the interim period).

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Yeah. I understood it to mean, that Zora will be brought in like with how we know her from Calypso.

 

[Dukhat]

I don't see any suggestion of that. Just that Calypso is confirmed as still canon, so they are factoring that vague endpoint into how Zora and the ship develop during the run of the show (meaning the fan retcon theory about programmable matter is probably going to be correct). I very much doubt we will go any further into the future during DSC's run (other than maybe more Short Treks set in the interim period).

The thing is, though, the V’Draysh as portrayed in Calypso were quite different from the Federation we see in the 32nd century. The former were at war with Craft’s people and valued relics from the ‘Long Ago.’ In DSC season 3, we see that the Federation doesn’t even have enough ships to adequately function at capacity, much less fight a war. And it was the Sphere data that contained things like 1950’s cartoons. The Federation itself showed no signs of being interested in such things.

I just think that any attempt to shoehorn in Calypso to what’s happening in DSC season 4 will just be a contrived mess. It would be like trying to link the M*A*S*H film to the later TV series even though it was never meant to be such, and that many things in the film contradict the show.

 

[Biggles]

Oh I know, absolutely. But they say they want to try to reconcile it with the main show, so here we are.

 

[Yistaan]

The thing is, though, the V’Draysh as portrayed in Calypso were quite different from the Federation we see in the 32nd century. The former were at war with Craft’s people and valued relics from the ‘Long Ago.’ In DSC season 3, we see that the Federation doesn’t even have enough ships to adequately function at capacity, much less fight a war. And it was the Sphere data that contained things like 1950’s cartoons. The Federation itself showed no signs of being interested in such things.

I mean that's all from Craft's point of view and if he's, say, an Emerald Chain goon he'll just parrot whatever Osyraa tells him.

 

[Dukhat]

I mean that's all from Craft's point of view and if he's, say, an Emerald Chain goon he'll just parrot whatever Osyraa tells him.

But the Federation and the Emerald Chain weren’t at war. And even if it’s all Craft’s point of view, why did the V’Draysh escape pod have all those ‘Long Ago’ recordings when the Federation didn’t care about that? Only Zora had the Sphere data that contained all that.

Seriously, if their way to link Calypso to DSC is to essentially say that Craft was an asshole and an idiot who didn’t know what he was taking about, then that would seriously tarnish the entire point of the short trek.