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Statistical Probabilities + Chrysalis are not good

AntonyF

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These episodes are some of the worst of DS9.

Statistical Probabilities firstly fetishes mental illness. It really plays to this TV stereotype of anyone with autism or similar is some savant, quirkl but excellent. I know these people do exist, that things like autism affect people in different ways... but TV makes this super-excellence the norm. That you couldn't have someone genuinely with a mental issue or developmental issue without being funny, or sexy, or quirky... but most of all very very clever.

They don't just make them clever, they make them absurd. Like watching 20 seconds of a person could let them work out their daughter was killed by their best friend etc. eugh.

And if they were so brilliant Starfleet would have them locked in a room analysing every piece of footage and video recording. They'd be milked for every bit of insight they could offer.

Then Chrysalis. I don't know why they felt compelled to bring them back, but they did.. and Bashir gets creepy.

He's always struck me as pretty level headed but this woman is barely saying her first words and he's in there trying to fuck her. He kind of addresses the dodgyness later in the episode and so does she saying she's not sure how to handle it, but it doesn't make it right. And she shouldn't have been put in that position by a senior Stafleet medical officer who was caring for her. She doesn't suddenly become this fully functional adult able to cope with fending off the dodgy doctor.

It's so out of character to me as he's always been decent. And I can't write it off to a simple error in judgement, it's dodgy and exploitative.

I admit my view might be now more influenced by the fact that Hollywood loved Poor Things where adult men fuck a baby in an adult woman's body. And there are shades of it here. Yes she's an adult, but she has not developed normally. She's barely been speaking for five minutes.

A more compelling angle would be one of more fatherlyness, and perhaps she wants to go off and explore the world and he has to let her go as basically he's released her from her confines. That after failing to save Jadzia, failing to save the Jem'hadar and other issues he's finally had a success but sees it wander off. Maybe... I dunno. But not immediately moving in on her basically.
 
It really plays to this TV stereotype of anyone with autism or similar is some savant, quirkl but excellent. I know these people do exist, that things like autism affect people in different ways... but TV makes this super-excellence the norm.
The Jack Pack are not a group of people with autism "or similar" though. They are specifically people who have been artificially altered with the goal of being exceptional.

but it doesn't make it right.
It doesn't. And the episode doesn't pretend otherwise. Bashir made a big mistake.
 
The Jack Pack are not a group of people with autism "or similar" though. They are specifically people who have been artificially altered with the goal of being exceptional.

I think to pretend that they aren't some sort of analog for conditions such as autism is... well I wouldn't agree with it. To me it's kind of obvious, but that's' my interpretation.

And the message is "defective but brilliant", which is as I said a very common TV trope. Also they were designed to be better, but were they really designed to be exceptional?

It doesn't. And the episode doesn't pretend otherwise. Bashir made a big mistake.

I should probably clarify I don't think it's "right" that it's even a story they wanted to do, or that it was a good story for Bashir. If this were the real world he'd likely lose his job, not go "Aw shucks I was a bit wrong there."
 
I agree that they were obviously an analogue for people on the autism spectrum, and the episodes would probably not be made the same way today.

Chrysalis is hugely problematic, not least Bashir's continued propensity to meet girls and try to "fix" them with experimental medical procedures, as he previously had attempted with Melora.

The Ezri relationship was always a bit odd, given that he chased after Jadzia and was rebuffed, and apparently saw Ezri as another opportunity.

He also does unethical things to Bareil, and arguably in Hippocratic Oath and The Quickening.
 
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Reminds me of that episode of Babylon 5 where Dr. Franklin was written as a creepy Doctor coming on to a patient, except Bashir was a lech from the start, so it wasn't really out of character for him.
 
Whole thread on the creepy dirtbag here.

 
I liked Statistical Probabilities, and even Chrysalis has its good points. At least Sarina didn't stay with Bashir. As in other tellings of the Pygmalion myth, Galatea/Eliza are grateful to their creator Pygmalion/Higgins, but not in love with him and will not stay with him.
 
I think to pretend that they aren't some sort of analog for conditions such as autism is... well I wouldn't agree with it.
I'm not saying there's no analogy going on, whether intentional or accidental. I'm only saying that there is also wider context. The Jack Pack are not presented as just "anyone with autism or similar" so they do not necessarily represent the idea that "anyone with autism or similar is some savant".
 
Honestly, I never really liked those eppisodes with those "genetic altered persons gone wrong".
The same for revealing Bashir as some genetic altered person too. he was good as he was before that, I still can't see the reason for coming up with those ideas.

I didn't like the episodes where Sisko was turned into some 21th century person who wrote stories on the wall either.

Too much out of the context and premise for the series.
 
If you think Far Beyond the Stars was "out of context" for Deep Space Nine, I feel you've fundamentally missed the point of the show and Sisko's character in particular.
Benny never writes on the wall in Far Beyond, so it's all good. Lynx must only be referencing the very brief scenes in Shadows and Symbols only. ;)
 
I love "Statistical Probabilities" for the psychohistory element and Bashir's "there but for the grace of god" moments. Bashir and O'Brien's argument was great along with Bashir's hubris. Damar and Weyoun skulking in shadows like a pair of schmucks. I thought the augments were fine. I have no strong feelings on them.
 
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