Star Trek is part of MCU

[ITDUDE]

Don't know if this has been discussed yet, but yeah, Star Trek and MCU are part of the same universe!

The possibilities are endless! Someone needs to find a link from MCU/Star Trek to Sherlock Holmes and the fiction multi-verse will be complete!

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Spock said Holmes was an ancestor of his, and Data was a fan. There's your link!

On another note, I can't stand it when people misspell Khan!!!!!!!

 

[sbk1234]

And there's Spock's other ancestor. Amanda Grayson's great-great-great-grand whatever, Dick Grayson.

 

[ITDUDE]

And there's Spock's other ancestor. Amanda Grayson's great-great-great-grand whatever, Dick Grayson.

So wait, what? DC and Marvel, happily together in the same universe, all brought together by Star Trek?
Star Trek, uniting comic book fans since 1966.

 

[Greg Cox]

Spock said Holmes was an ancestor of his, and Data was a fan. There's your link!

On another note, I can't stand it when people misspell Khan!!!!!!!

Spock's line can be interpreted two ways. Was he quoting Holmes--or Sir Arthur Conan Doyle? You can take that line to mean that Spock claims Doyle as an ancestor, although that's admittedly not as fun.

But, yes, it's Khan, not "Kahn," damn it!

 

[MAGolding]

Your Mileage May Vary.

Some people like to claim that two fictional stories or series are part of the same fictional universe with just very weak and slight evidence, while other people demand very strong evidence to say that two fictional stories or series are part of the same fictional universe. There is a whole spectrum of how easily or hard people find it to tie two fictional universes stogether into one bigger universe.

The Tommy Westphall (or John Munch) Universe hypothesis postulated by Dwayne McDuffie claims that hundreds of (mostly US) television series are part of the same vast fictional universe. Some commentators object to the reasoning and assumptions of proponents of the Tommy Westphall universe. http://tar.weatherson.org/2004/10/04/six-objections-to-the-westphall-hypothesis/

Many sites mention the Tommy Westphall Universe.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tom....69i57j0l5.10711j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

This list, updated in August 2016, lists 419 TV shows allegedly in the Tommy Westphall Multiverse.

https://thetommywestphall.wordpress.com/the-master-list/

Note that it includes famous science fiction series like Battlestar Galactica (2003), Doctor Who (all versions), Stargate (all versions), Space 1999 (1975-1978), Quantum Leap (1989-1993) and every Star Trek series.

Series with direct Star Trek connections that I have heard of include Knight Rider (1982-86 and 2008), Angel (1999-2004), The John Larroquette Show (1993-1996) and Webster (1983-1989).

The connection with Angel (1999-2004) and The John Larroquette Show (1993-1996) are mentions of Yoyodyne.

The alleged and possible link with Webster (1983-1989) is in the last episode of Webster, "Webtrek", March 10, 1989, where Webster might dream he is on the bridge of the Enterprise D - which might make Star trek: The Next Generation something that Webster dreamed up. Or Webster might actually visit the bridge of the Enterprise D - which might make the two shows part of the same universe. But there doen't sem to be any crossovers from Webster to other shows.

Here is a chart of some Tommy Westphall series. Star Trek is in the upper middle section.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/748/285/a24.jpg

Another shared TV series universe is the Disney Channel Live Action Universe or DCLAU.

http://nickanddisneyreviewed.blogspot.com/2016/02/on-disney-channel-live-action-universe.html

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Franchise/DisneyChannelLiveActionUniverse?from=Franchise.DCLAU

And they are also connected to series in other universes, including some cartoon shows. The Ultimate Spiderman episode "Halloween Night at the museum" is a crossover with Jessie. Ultimate Spiderman is part of the Marvel Universe group of animated TV shows based on Marvel comics, which in turn are the inspiration for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Since Girl Meets World is a sequel to Boy Meets World the DCLAU is connected to the Tommy Westphall Universe and Star Trek.

So that is another possible way to try to find a link between Star Trek and the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

But the Tommy Westphall universe is only the beginning of the alleged, possible, and more or less reasonable and more or less desirable connections of the Star Trek Universe.

Greg Cox said:

Spock's line can be interpreted two ways. Was he quoting Holmes--or Sir Arthur Conan Doyle? You can take that line to mean that Spock claims Doyle as an ancestor, although that's admittedly not as fun.

But, yes, it's Khan, not "Kahn," damn it!

Actually it can be interpreted many ways, since many actors portraying Sherlock Holmes have quoted that saying - different actors in the Star Trek universe than in our universe - and other writers may have quoted it in other works of fact and fiction, and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle may have copied it from earlier writers.

Yes! It's Khan not Kahn! I wonder what people named Kahn think when they find their surname confused with the title used by rulers who massacred so many millions of persons.

 

[ITDUDE]

And here I thought this was probably the silliest thing they could come up with

 

[The Old Mixer]

http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/rules-a-short-guide-to-posting-on-the-bbs.282269/

Don't hotlink. If you're posting a picture, host it on your own site/Photobucket, whatever. DON'T just link to another site. They hate that.

 

[ITDUDE]

http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/rules-a-short-guide-to-posting-on-the-bbs.282269/
Don't hotlink. If you're posting a picture, host it on your own site/Photobucket, whatever. DON'T just link to another site. They hate that.

Fixed, by re-pointing to imgur. But let's just say this rule is loosely enforced :/

 

[JonnyQuest037]

So wait, what? DC and Marvel, happily together in the same universe, all brought together by Star Trek?
Star Trek, uniting comic book fans since 1966.

Well, of course, the DC and Marvel Universes have had many, many crossovers over the years, starting with 1976's Superman vs. The Amazing Spider-Man and most recently in 2003's long-awaited JLA/Avengers crossover. They don't really need Trek as connective tissue, since they're more connected to each other than either one is to Star Trek.

And they're all connected to the Wold Newton Universe, anyway.

 

[MAGolding]

Oops! I was going to enter this yesterday but it sort of got lost for a while.

Don't know if this has been discussed yet, but yeah, Star Trek and MCU are part of the same universe!

The possibilities are endless! Someone needs to find a link from MCU/Star Trek to Sherlock Holmes and the fiction multi-verse will be complete!

Following the link: https://www.tor.com/2017/07/13/star...s-all-marvel-films-thanks-to-a-special-cameo/ We see that Kirk Thatcher who appeared as "punk on bus" in Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home also has a cameo in Spiderman: Homecoming, and the producer intended the two characters to be the same person, thus creating a direct one step link between the fictional universes of Star Trek and the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

In my post # 6, I also pointed out that Star Trek is alleged by many to be part of the Tommy Westphall or John Munch universe along with hundreds of other TV shows, no doubt including many of your most favorite and least favorite ones.

Some of the alleged links between Star Trek and other movies and TV series include Heisler Gold Ale, seen in Star Trek: Enterprise and other movies and TV shows, the aerospace company Yoyodyne that makes TNG era starship parts seen in Angel and The John Larroquette Show, and the beverage Slusho! seen in Alias, Heroes, and the movies Cloverfield and Star Trek (2009).

https://tv.avclub.com/scenes-from-the-munchiverse-21-links-between-unexpecte-1798232753

If a fan accepts the Tommy Westphall Universe theory they can say that since Boy Meets World is listed as a Tommy Westphall series, and since it's sequel Girl Meets World is part of the DCLAU, or Disney Channel Live Action Universe along with Jessie and there was a crossover between Jessie and Ultimate Spiderman, and since Ultimate Spiderman is part of the cartoon Marvel Universe along with other series based on the Marvel Comic Book Universe which in term is the inspiration for the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the fictional universes of .Star Trek and and the Marvel Cinematic Universe were already (possibly) linked to each other and to many other fictional universes.

If the Tommy Westphall theory is accepted the linkage would be:

1) Star Trek: The Next Generation - 2) The John Larroquette Show - 3) Frasier - 4) Cheers - 5) St. Elsewhere - 6) The Bob Newhart Show - 7) Newhart - 8) Coach - 9) The Drew Carey Show - 10) The Hughleys - 11) The Parkers - 12) Moesha - 13) Clueless - 14) Sabrina the Teenage Witch - 15) Boy Meets World - 16) Girl Meets World - 17) Austin and Alley - 18) Jessie - 19) Ultimate Spider-Man - 20) hypothetical link between Ultimate Spider-Man and the universe of the Marvel comic books - 21) hypothetical link between the universe of the Marvel comic books and the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

The first fifteen come from here; http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/748/285/a24.jpg The links up to 19 come from here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Franchise/DisneyChannelLiveActionUniverse?from=Franchise.DCLAU

I suppose that if someone wants to badly enough they can think of ways to justify the last two links to reach the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Of course different people have different ideas about what evidence is strong enough to make two different TV series part of the same fictional universe.

This site: http://www.poobala.com/crossoverlist.html

Lists a much smaller group of shows that share the same universe with St. Elsewhere. It lists "only" 94 shows as part of Group 2. In fact it lists all the shows in the links above from 2) The John Larroquette Show to 9) The Drew Carey Show.

It also lists all the shows in the links above from 10) The Hughleys to 16) Girl Meets World in Group 30.

But it has no crossovers or links between any Star Trek series and The John Larroquette Show, or any crossovers or links between The Drew Carey Show and The Hughleys.

This site does include a Group 10 that includes 16 series including the first five Star Trek series. This is because of a link Between "The Changeling" and a Team Knight Rider (1997-1998) episode "Apocalypse Maybe" May 4, 1998.

http://www.poobala.com/standteam.html

Team Knight River (1997-1998) is a sequel to Knight Rider (1982-1986), which had other spin off series Code of Vengeance (1985-1986) and Knight Rider (2008-2009). The 2008 TV move Knight Rider, a plot for Knight Rider (2008-2009), was partially set in Las Vegas at the fictional Montecito Casino and Hotel. The fictional Montecito Casino and Hotel was the setting for Las Vegas (2003-2008). Las Vegas (2003-2008) had crossovers with Crossing Jordan (2001-2007), Medium (2005-2011), The Office (2005-2013), Passions (1999-2008), and Heroes (2006-2010) - which had a sequel Heroes Reborn (2015-2016).

Bernard Fox as witch Doctor Hubert Bombay from Bewitched (1964-1972) and Tabitha (1977-1978) appeared in two episodes of Passions (1999-2008).

Thus Group 10 includes: Bewitched (1964-1972), Star Trek (1966-1969), Star Trek: The Animated Series (1973-1974), Tabitha (1977-1978), Knight Rider (1982-1986), Code of Vengeance (1985-1986), Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987-1994), Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993-1999), Star Trek: Voyager (1995-2001), Team Knight Rider (1997-1998), Passions (1999-2008), Star Trek: Enterprise (2001-2005), Crossing Jordan (2001-2007), Medium (2005-2011), The Office (2005-2013), Heroes (2006-2010), Knight Rider (2008-2009), Heroes Reborn (2015-2016), and Star Trek: Discovery (2017-).

I think that it might be good for writers of future Star Trek movies, episodes, books, comics, games, etc., to create more links with other shows in Group 10. And maybe to create links with TV shows that are not yet in Group 10 that would span some or all of the chronological gaps between when the shows were broadcast.

There was also a sort of crossover between Bewitched (1964-1972) and The Flintstones (1960-1966).

http://www.poobala.com/bewitchedandflintstones.html

Anyone who accepts that as a valid link might not have a problem accepting the alleged crossover between The Simpsons and The Flintstones (1960-1966).

http://www.poobala.com/flintstonesandsimpsons.html

The Simpsons are part of Group 40 with other animated programs.

There are also alleged crossovers between The Simpsons and several live action series. Someone who accepts the dubious crossover between Bewitched (1964-1972) and The Flintstones (1960-1966) could easily accept the crossover between The Simpsons and Cheers (1982-1993) which of course leads directly to St. Elsewhere and the 94 shows that share it's universe in Group 2, and the crossover between The Simpsons and 24 (2001-2010), and the crossover between The Simpsons and The X-Files (1993-2002) ((2015-), which is also part of Group 2.

A more simple way to link to Group 2, the 94 programs connected to St. Elsewhere, would be a direct link between a Group 10 program and a Group 2 program. In fact the charts for the Tommy Westphall Universe show a direct link between Crossing Jordan (2001-2007) and St. Elsewhere.

Crossing Jordan is clearly connected to Las Vegas according to this site:

http://tommywestphall.wikia.com/wiki/Crossing_Jordan

But it doesn't seem to give any other links with the Tommy Westphall universe.

Here it does mention a link between Crossing Jordan (2001-2007) and St. Elsewhere:

• An episode of Crossing Jordan featured a priest from the chapel at St Eligius'.

http://tommywestphall.wikia.com/wiki/St._Elsewhere

So those who accept that link will have Star Trek linked to the 94 TV series in Group 2.

 

[Emperor Norton]

All universes are one universe. All hail the Omega Canon.

 

[MAGolding]

in Star Trek VI: The Wrath of Khan (Oops! I mean Star trek VI:The Undiscovered Country) Spock says:

SPOCK: An ancestor of mine maintained that if you eliminate the impossible whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Sherlock Holmes is famous for saying that.

In The Sign of the Four (1890) Chapter 6:

Chap. 6

• How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?

The Adventure of the Beryl Coronet[edit]

• It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

The Adventure of the Blanched Soldier[edit]

• When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

• https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes

So Kirkusoveractus said:

Spock said Holmes was an ancestor of his, and Data was a fan. There's your link!

And Greg Cox quite reasonably pointed out:

Spock's line can be interpreted two ways. Was he quoting Holmes--or Sir Arthur Conan Doyle? You can take that line to mean that Spock claims Doyle as an ancestor, although that's admittedly not as fun.

And I replied:

Actually it can be interpreted many ways, since many actors portraying Sherlock Holmes have quoted that saying - different actors in the Star Trek universe than in our universe - and other writers may have quoted it in other works of fact and fiction, and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle may have copied it from earlier writers.

And I just now thought of an actor who might have portrayed Sherlock Holmes in some entertainment tape or live stage play in the alternate universe of Star Trek: Kodos The Executioner or Anton Karidian.

Its a good thing that Arnold Moss was born in the same year as Jane Wyatt, making it unlikely that Kodos was secretly the father of Amanda Grayson by a first marriage. But perhaps they were related and had a common ancestor who was an actor who said those lines.

 

[iliescu]

It seems strange, guess though it could work out.

 

[MAGolding]

Since no one else has suggested other fictional universes Star Trek might be connected to, I will suggest a remote possibility.

When Voyager started, Katherine Janeway was not the first fictional character with that surname I had ever heard of.

The Command (1954) had a character, Colonel Janeway, portrayed by Carl Benton Reid.

I don't know if any of the creators of Voyager thought of Colonel Janeway from The Command (1954) when deciding on the name of Janeway for their show's captain. Certainly I never noticed Janeway refer to any 19th century ancestor.

I can imagine a situation when Janeway was trying to persuade warring groups to make peace. She could have said that a few years ago her ship was chasing Chakotay's ship, and now they are on the same side, and that five hundred years ago one of her ancestors was fighting some of Chakotay's ancestors. Of course I don't know if any of Chakotay's ancestors in the 19th century would have lived in the the USA. A person can have a lot of ancestors belonging to many different ethic groups 500 years and 15 to 20 generations earlier. 32,768 ancestors 15 generations back and 1,048,576 20 generations back.

The Command (1954) was based on a Saturday Evening Post story by James Warner Bellah "White Invader" (1950), expanded into a novel Rear Guard. It was part of a series of stories by Bellah, mostly set at or near the fictional Fort Stark in the west.

This site http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/misc/Bellahtime.htm attempts to make a chronology of the events in the stories.

Many persons may be more familiar with other movies based loosely on other stories in the series: Fort Apache (1948), She Wore A Yellow Ribbon (1949), and Rio Grande (1950).

So it is possible there might someday be a fan fiction or an authorized Voyager novel in which Captain Janeway mentions a 19th century ancestor who fought in the Civil War and the Indian Wars. That would suggest that Voyager and all of Star Trek is in the same fictional universe as either the James Warner Bellah stories or else The Command (1954) and possibly other movies based on his stories. In either case that would put Star Trek in an alternate universe where the Indian Wars of the US west had a different history than in our timeline. But is already in an alternate universe that branched off from ours before 1966 anyway, due to various historical errors in various movies and episodes.

There are other fictional universes that are more strongly connected to Star Trek, and eventually I will mention them if nobody else does first.

 

[fireproof78]

So wait, what? DC and Marvel, happily together in the same universe, all brought together by Star Trek?
Star Trek, uniting comic book fans since 1966.

It's all one

We reach.

 

[Jedi_Master]

All universes are one universe. All hail the Omega Canon.

The Omega Canon?

Lame...

 

[B.J.]

Didn't Spock also show up on the Carol Burnette Show?

 

[JirinPanthosa]

It’s easy to put most sitcoms in the same universe, and easy to put most procedural dramas in the same universe. But connecting fantasy and sci-fi universes?

Besides that all have different physics for how magic and techno magic operate and all diverging from the real world timeline at different points, as well as having different frequencies of planets with sentient life and degree of alien similarity to humans, and different permissibility of magic creatures on Earth.

They all have different core theses on human nature that are not mutually resolvable.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Don't forget, Captain Jean-Luc Picard is also a descendant of Professor Charles Xavier.

Not only that, but it's an oft-overlooked fact that Dr. Noonien Soong based some of his cybernetics research off of his great-grandfather, Dr. Brakish Okun's work after the War of 1996 and the subsequent second invasion in 2016.