St John Talbots Title

[Crewman47]

This just occured me just now but how do you suppose he would've recieved his Saint title? Do you think that there's still a religious tradition used in the 23rd and 24th century that does this with certain people?

Got to admit that when I first heard his name mentioned on TFF I heard it as Singeon Talbot (the name is on Memeory Beta as a name he formally used) and it wasn't until I saw the credits years later and saw it was St John but I never thought about it and how he may have recieved it until about now.


Edited
Was confusing Knighthood (honours) with the religious use of Saint

 

[Timo]

A couple of alternatives there:

It could be that "Saint John" is the name of the guy, not his title in any functional or even formerly functional way. Plenty of guys out there named King, for example, without actually being royalty in any manner.

Or John Talbot might be an actual saint in the religious sense, so exceptional in his pious achievements that he earned the title before his death. (Or was canonized the usual half a century after his death, but then came back.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[RyanKCR]

St. John is a proper first name pronounced Sinjin. The first I heard of the name was in the tv show Airwolf. The main character's MIA brother was St. John and pronounced Sinjin. There was a comment in one of the episodes about their father's fascination of strange names: Stringfellow and St. John.

 

[Nardpuncher]

Yeah, it's a pretty weird name.
The first time I heard it was in the 007 movie A View to a Kill where Moore uses it as a cover name and the woman at the door reads his card as it looks...Saint John, then he corrected her.
It would seem to be a really pretentious name now.

 

[diankra]

St. John is a proper first name pronounced Sinjin. The first I heard of the name was in the tv show Airwolf. The main character's MIA brother was St. John and pronounced Sinjin. There was a comment in one of the episodes about their father's fascination of strange names: Stringfellow and St. John.

Exactly. During the 1980s (and indeed when STV came out), my MP was Norman St John Stevas.

 

[captcalhoun]

Pyro in the X-Men comics' real name is St. John Allerdyce. the movies changed it to just 'john'...

 

[WillsBabe]

It's also the name of a chracter in Jane Eyre, which I think I was reading about the time Trek V came out, funnily enough.

 

[Elder Knight]

Many people of French ancestry have family names beginning with "St." I could see such evolving via mother's maiden name to middle name to first name now and again.

 

[roguephoenix]

ummm... is this the same john talbot who is gates mcfadden's husband? O_o

 

[Sheliak]

 

[Therin of Andor]

It's also the name of a chracter in Jane Eyre, which I think I was reading about the time Trek V came out, funnily enough.

Yep. I read "Jane Eyre" in the 70s, and I think they explain the correct pronunciation in that book. So "St John Talbot" was not a unique name to me.

However, IIRC, JM Dillard tried to explain the "Saint" bit in the novelization of the film, attributing it to a past ambassadorial connection?

 

[Crewman47]

ummm... is this the same john talbot who is gates mcfadden's husband? O_o

Sorry I didn't realise that there was someone called John Talbot connected to a Trek actor outside of Star Trek, but anyway my question is about the character from Star Trek 5 TFF.

 

[A beaker full of death]

This just occured me just now but how do you suppose he would've recieved his Saint title?

Is this a joke?

St. John is a proper first name pronounced Sinjin.

Finally.

Yeah, it's a pretty weird name.

Hardly. It used to be fairly common in Britain. I refer you to Jane Eyre.

EDIT: Ah. Someone beat me to it.

 

[Elder Knight]

Now, Sir John Talbot was the father of Lawrence Talbot -- The Wolf Man.

 

[Sector 7]

SINJIN?! Them thar England folks shore do talk funny...

 

[Elder Knight]

It sound more as if he's saying "Saint John" with just a bit of a slur to the "saint" part: SINT-John.


The French speaker will say SAH(N)-Lore-AH(N) for "St. Laurent" and SAH(N)-Mar_TAH(N) for "St. Martin." The "N" is silent except for some nasalization. (I learned this while listening to hockey gfames out of Montreal long ago.)

Female saints are disignated "Ste.", and as the "nt" is no longer the last part of the word, it has more vocalization, as in "Sault Ste. Marie."

That's the limit of my linguistic legerdemain, so i'll refer to a real Francophone.

 

[Nardpuncher]

This just occured me just now but how do you suppose he would've recieved his Saint title?

Is this a joke?

St. John is a proper first name pronounced Sinjin.

Finally.

Yeah, it's a pretty weird name.

Hardly. It used to be fairly common in Britain. I refer you to Jane Eyre.

EDIT: Ah. Someone beat me to it.

Yep, sorry you lost the chance to look like a know-it-all.
And it's weird name because of how it's pronounced compared to it's spelling. My name's Sean...so i know what I'm talking about.

 

[Timo]

Interpreting "St. John" as a simple name is a bit dull IMHO. Much more intriguing if the guy really were a saint - perhaps this could relate to why he was on that hellhole of a planet to begin with. Although the version given in the novelization is not necessarily the dramatically most brilliant...

Romulans sent an idealistic upstart to rot there. Klingons sent a disgraced old warrior. It would be sort of fun if the Feds sent a saint, being so ill at ease with him.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Therin of Andor]

It would be sort of fun if the Feds sent a saint, being so ill at ease with him.

Human saints are usually made saints long after they've died.

What does God need with a starship when New Paradise City already has a saint?

 

[Timo]

Human saints are usually made saints long after they've died.

Indeed. And this being Star Trek, this could be true with St. John Talbot as well.

Timo Saloniemi