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Something I don't understand about "Shades of Gray"

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If the stock footage we're seeing in Riker's dreams are memories that he is dreaming, how come they aren't from his first-person perspective? I'm willing to buy the excuse that he's dreaming it from another perspective. But what I really don't understand is a clip where Picard is telling Tasha to get to transporter room to get Riker, Data and Geordi off the ship that was about to blow up and it continues to show her reaction as she beams them up, despite the fact that Riker was not in the room in either case.
 
This isn't unusual for clip shows, or clip scenes. Like holographic versions of one of the main cast in DS9 in the series finale....
 
I don't understand why it was made. An episode of Data tickling Geordi with a feather would have had more storyline mileage than Shades Of Gray.
 
Was Riker stuck on The Batris? I don't remember. Perhaps that episode was trying to explain his trauma of almost dieing. All those other flash backs he was faced with death. It makes sense be cause now he is infected with a virus and he is faced with death yet again.
 
This isn't unusual for clip shows, or clip scenes. Like holographic versions of one of the main cast in DS9 in the series finale....
I realize that the point of the episode was to reuse footage, and they didn't want to film footage, which would defeat the entire purpose of why it was made. I know that's why the footage is presented like that.
 
I don't understand why it was made. An episode of Data tickling Geordi with a feather would have had more storyline mileage than Shades Of Gray.
It was made during a production strike. And they went over budget on Q Who. But I see your point. It is like a cheaply made version of the episode "Tapestry."
 
It was made during a production strike. And they went over budget on Q Who. But I see your point. It is like a cheaply made version of the episode "Tapestry."

I knew that but I still don't understand why they did a clip show. Such a waste of time. That hour could have been spent watching Worf bitch slap Riker back and forth. I'd have loved that.
 
I knew that but I still don't understand why they did a clip show. Such a waste of time. That hour could have been spent watching Worf bitch slap Riker back and forth. I'd have loved that.

They overspent and needed to save money. A "clip" episode is/was an established television conceit. Maurice Hurley admitted he was "out the door and didn't care" so he was probably just trying to bring the show in on budget.

I don't think they realised how horrible it would be. I saw an interview with berman once where he vowed never to do one again and fair play to him they didnt.
 
It was made during a production strike. And they went over budget on Q Who. But I see your point. It is like a cheaply made version of the episode "Tapestry."
Q Who was made way after Shades of Grey. How would it have been a factor?
 
It was made during a production strike. And they went over budget on Q Who. But I see your point. It is like a cheaply made version of the episode "Tapestry."

Please don't sully Tapestry with the "clip show" label.

Trek in general has been very lucky with it's (lack) of clip show - 1 in 716. Michael Piller said

"Rick and I discussed it and we both hate, hate, clip shows. We think they're insulting to the audience. They tune in and then you create this false jeopardy and then flashback as their memory goes back to the wonderful time they had before they got trapped in the elevator and all that bullshit."

The studio pushed for a 4th season clipshow, but instead we got The Drumhead, a brilliant episode, which just goes to show you need good writers, you don't always need a big budget.

Shades of Grey, and Season 2 in general, suffered from the writers strike of '88. That said, rewatching season 2 I've noticed it is consistently great. I think the biggest problems (aside from Shades of Grey) were the lack of followup on The Neutral Zone (which we got eventually) or Conspiracy. I wonder if they were thinking the two would be linked, although Conspiracy was sort-of a follow-on from Coming of Age.
 
Q Who was made way after Shades of Grey. How would it have been a factor?

Q-Who was filmed from 27 February 1989. Can't find details on Shades of Grey, but it has a higher production order, and "The Emissary", two episodes earlier had first script submitted 28 March 1989. SOG didn't air until later. When was it made?
 
My bad. I was remembering episodes wrong. Shades of Gray came out after...
 
how come they aren't from his first-person perspective
I am sometimes "in" my own dreams, i can see myself interacting with others. And there are times where events are taking place where I'm "out of the room."

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It was made during a production strike.
Shades of Grey, and Season 2 in general, suffered from the writers strike of '88.

This is a myth that just won't die. The Writers' Guild strike happened a year before "Shades of Gray." It had no impact on it whatsoever. The strike affected the end of the first season, in that the climax of "We'll Always Have Paris" had to be largely improvised without a writer on hand to revise it (which may be why Data said "It's me" after he'd been established as not using contractions), and in that "The Neutral Zone" had to be shot from a first-draft script (which is why it's so sloppily written and full of holes). It also delayed the beginning of the second season and led to it being shortened by four episodes. But it had no impact on the end of season 2.

And just in general, there's no reason why a writer's strike would have any connection to a clip show. Writers' strikes are rare, but clip shows happen all the time. There are many TV series that do clip shows every year and actually budget for them from the start -- particularly cable shows like Stargate SG-1 and syndicated shows like Xena: Warrior Princess. Clip shows have been a commonplace money-saving practice in Hollywood since before television even existed; there were whole movies that were made as compilations of earlier movies, and occasional Looney Tunes, Popeye, and Tom & Jerry cartoons that were compilations of earlier cartoons. They called them "cheaters" back then.

Not to mention that clip shows do need writers. Someone needs to write the new material that justifies the flashback format and frames the clips. So clip shows couldn't be done during a writers' strike any more than any other kind of episode. It's the other aspects of production besides writing that a clip show cuts back on. What you'd see instead during a writers' strike would be something like a newly filmed remake of an old or unused script, like TNG's "The Child" or several episodes of the '88 Mission: Impossible revival (which was conceived during the strike as a way to get a new production out of old scripts, but was reworked into a continuation rather than a remake once the strike was resolved, allowing the recycled scripts to be rewritten just as "The Child" was).

The real explanation is simply that the producers of TNG needed to spend "above pattern" (i.e. more money than allocated) on a couple of earlier episodes including "Q Who," and in order to get permission to spend more money on those, they had to agree to do an episode that could be shot in three days in order to cancel out the budget overrun. The simplest, most tried-and-true way to achieve a script that can be shot in three days is to do a clip show, so that's what they did, just as hundreds of other shows have done before them and after them on a routine basis for decades, without strikes being involved in any way. And since Maurice Hurley was in his last days as showrunner and on his way out the door, he did a really slapdash job on the script. It was the last thing written at the end of season 2, so there's no reason it would've been affected in any way by a strike that had ended nearly a year earlier.

The reason this myth of the strike having something to do with "Shades of Gray" persists is because people see two bad things happening in early TNG -- a writers' strike and an infamously awful clip show -- and the natural reflex is to assume they're connected. But they're not. Clip shows are a routine way to save money in TV. If anything, what's unusual is that Trek never did another clip show after "Shades." Most syndicated shows in the '90s did them at least once a year. But "Shades" was so hated that the Trek producers resolved never to do another clip show, and so they found better ways to do money-saving episodes -- bottle shows relying on intimate drama rather than action and effects, like "The Drumhead" or "Duet." Which were some of ST's finest hours. So we can be grateful to "Shades of Gray" for that, at least.
 
It's been a long time since I watched Season 2 (probably 20 years). I remembered "The Child", and knew it was a dust off from Phase 2. I'd assumed there were many writers-strike episodes which were spread throughout, however I guess that doesn't make much sense. I'm glad there was a reason The Neutral Zone had such terrible characterisations (OK, I see Picard being snooty, and distracted - despite his "We are not out here to engage in battles; we are explorers" hipocracy - but nobody else interested in saving an example of Earth history other than Data and maybe Worf and Geordi? Geordi says "if I push this button it will save the ship" and Riker effectively says "no, blow it up". Beverly got pissed off (or demob happy) and defrosted them without asking anyone, Troi had to spend half the episode printing out the wikipedia entry on Romulans rather than dealing with the defrostees (sans probulator). The two security guards were useless, not removing the chap from the bridge, but not having anything else to do other than gape at the screen)

I can't blame the writers completely for Data's contraction in WAHP though - surely Brent Spiner could have said "it is me" rather than "it's me" if he'd wanted, and it's not like it's the only time he's used one.

When there's a writers strike on, are there still writers working? Sort of like when there's a train strike some trains still run as some drivers will cross the picket line, or aren't contracted in the right way

Was Season 2's overall budget lower than normal? If not, that would mean there were 21 shows and a clip show rather than 26. I hope they didn't blow the budget on Pulaski's makeup in Unnatual Selection, or Riker's spinning chair in Matter of Honor.

If the episode had been canned, or even just put out before Peak Performance, I think people would have a better view of Season 2. Peak Performance would have been a far better swansong for Pulaski too (finally having put her robophobic views to rest), and to be honest season 2 is pretty good, just let down by this episode.
 
It's been a long time since I watched Season 2 (probably 20 years). I remembered "The Child", and knew it was a dust off from Phase 2. I'd assumed there were many writers-strike episodes which were spread throughout, however I guess that doesn't make much sense.

The only other Phase II script they did on TNG was "Devil's Due," which went through so many rewrites that it didn't get filmed until season 4. The thing is, the strike was resolved early enough that it ultimately wasn't necessary to rely on pre-existing scripts after all.

I'm glad there was a reason The Neutral Zone had such terrible characterisations (OK, I see Picard being snooty, and distracted - despite his "We are not out here to engage in battles; we are explorers" hipocracy - but nobody else interested in saving an example of Earth history other than Data and maybe Worf and Geordi? Geordi says "if I push this button it will save the ship" and Riker effectively says "no, blow it up". Beverly got pissed off (or demob happy) and defrosted them without asking anyone, Troi had to spend half the episode printing out the wikipedia entry on Romulans rather than dealing with the defrostees (sans probulator). The two security guards were useless, not removing the chap from the bridge, but not having anything else to do other than gape at the screen)

Not to mention the throwaway revelation that 24th-century medical science could essentially cure death in about two minutes. Or the unaddressed question of how a satellite from Earth orbit got to the Romulan border. Or the fact that Offenhouse's "insight" about the Romulans isn't really important to the outcome, or that there isn't really an outcome beyond the Romulans saying "We're back, boo!"

It's also interesting to note that "The Neutral Zone" is the first time in Trek history that an explicit Gregorian calendar year (2364) is given for the events of the story. (I don't count the date on the Romulan Ale in The Wrath of Khan, since it was unclear how old it was meant to be. And there were fan theories interpreting it as a stardate or a Romulan calendar date.) Given that Star Trek had always previously avoided pinning down an exact date or using the Gregorian calendar, I suspect that the only reason the 2364 date got through is because the script never went through revisions.

When there's a writers strike on, are there still writers working? Sort of like when there's a train strike some trains still run as some drivers will cross the picket line, or aren't contracted in the right way

Non-union writers can be employed, but nobody who's in the Writers' Guild can do any work. The 2009 Star Trek movie was filmed during a writers' strike, and so even though J.J. Abrams was the director rather than the writer per se, as a WGA member he wasn't allowed to do the rewriting he normally would've done during filming, so he had to wait until post-production, once the strike was over, to tweak the dialogue and story through selective editing and overdubbing.

One Trek production that was affected positively by a writers' strike was the animated series. It went into script development at a time when the WGA was on strike, but the strike only applied to live-action productions, and there was a different union or something for animation writers. So a lot of writers who normally would've been too busy working on live-action shows were conveniently available to write for TAS, and that's why about half the series was written by veterans of TOS.


Was Season 2's overall budget lower than normal? If not, that would mean there were 21 shows and a clip show rather than 26.

I haven't been able to find information on TNG's season 2 budget, but given that the episode order was reduced by four episodes, I'd think that would've actually increased the available budget per episode by about 18%. At worst, Paramount would've reduced the season budget commensurately with the reduction in episodes, so the per-episode cost would have been the same.

I hope they didn't blow the budget on Pulaski's makeup in Unnatual Selection, or Riker's spinning chair in Matter of Honor.

Reportedly the overages were for "Elementary, Dear Data" and "Q Who." The Victorian sets in the former episode were apparently quite expensive, and I assume all the Borg stuff and big action in the latter cost a bundle.
 
They had 3 days to shoot.
10 minutes of Geordi being tickled by Data, 10 minutes of Worf bitch slapping Riker, 10 minutes of Wesley perving over Troi, 10 minutes of Picard telling Pulaski she's fired, some Enterprise exterior shots and the opening and closing credits and there you have it. No need for a clip show.
 
I've long had a theory that the real problem with "Shades Of Gray", other than it being terrible, is that it was too early for this kind of a clip show anyway. With only two seasons under their belt (and one of them shortened by a Writer's Strike to boot), there just wasn't enough material to stitch together anything even remotely good. Something like this could have worked in, maybe, the seventh season. I'm no fan of clip shows, but as a retrospective of TNG as a whole, coming somewhere near the end of it's run, I could almost see the basic idea of "Shades of Gray" working. But not as the final episode of season two.

(Indeed, when I watch TNG through from start to finish on home media these days, I always end season two with "Peak Performance". I can't even tolerate watching "Shades of Gray" as part of the run anymore.)

I have seen it suggested here at TrekBBS that they chose the wrong subject, too. Riker had a lot of interesting things happen to him in the first two seasons, but it was Wesley who had seen by far the bulk of focus, and who would have provided the most 'raw material' for clips. So, yes, "Shades Of Gray" *could* indeed have been worse. :devil: ;)
 
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