Some questions about Susan Foreman

[Mr. Laser Beam]

- In "The Dalek Invasion Of Earth" she is deposited on 22nd century Earth where she marries a human. Wouldn't this be a problem, since she is a Time Lady and will presumably regenerate (thus outliving her new husband by quite a long time)?

- Where does her appearance in "The Five Doctors" fit into her own personal continuity?

- Is she really the Doctor's granddaughter? Does the fact that she has a first and last name (assuming they're real, and not a pseudonym she picked up) lend credence to the theory that

Spoiler: Susan

the Doctor might be part human

?

 

[Captain Pike]

Her surname is a pseudonym - she took the name Foreman from the name of the owner of the junkyard where they materialised. Watch An Unearthly Child and you will see the name on the gates of the yard is "I.M. Foreman".

 

[Winterwind]

Always wondered about Susan myself and whether or not she was a Time Lady. Other than The Five Doctors though, I think the production staff essentially tried to forget her despite the First Doctor promising to return someday.

The Doctor has made statements about being a father, which makes you wonder if Susan was his biological granddaughter but if the Doctor is the last of the Timelords... either Susan wasn't a Time Lady or at some point, she returned to Gallifrey and perished (or perished elsewhere).

 

[StCoop]

1) All time Lords all Gallifreyans but not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords.

2) Twenty years after her last? (Doesn't really matter)

3) Her last name (and probably first) are fake. As far as all the people who made the original episodes, and the actors too, are concerned she is his real Granddaughter.
It was only many years later that fans who found the idea of the Doctor getting jiggy with it upsetting (mostly because they weren't getting any themselves or wanted to be the ones the Doctor was boinking) started to insist she wasn't. Unfortunately some of those fans wound up writing for the Original Series in its dying days and later the novels that filled the sixteen year gap, so we got subjected to crap about Looms and Others, which the New Series has thankfully swept away.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Susan is The Doctor's granddaughter. I don't care what the books say.

As for when The Five Doctors happens for her, who knows. Perhaps it's during her adventures with The Doctor, but she aged a bit like The Doctor's various incarnations did in The Three Doctors, The Five Doctors, The Two Doctors, and "Time Crash."

 

[StCoop]

... either Susan wasn't a Time Lady or at some point, she returned to Gallifrey and perished (or perished elsewhere).

In "The Empty Child" Constantine says that before the War he used to be a father and grandfather and is now neither to which the Doctor replies that he knows the feeling, implying that his decendants are all dead.

 

[OmahaStar]

Susan is The Doctor's granddaughter. I don't care what the books say.

Agreed. Terrance Dicks and his loony theories be damned. Terrance can go to hell. Susan IS the Doctor's granddaughter. End of story.

 

[wamdue]

I dont care what better educated viewers have to say on this matter, Susan is his bio logical grand daughter end of

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

All time Lords all Gallifreyans but not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords.

I'm aware of that, but surely if the Doctor is a Time Lord, so also must his relatives be?

 

[HappyDayRiot]

All time Lords all Gallifreyans but not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords.

I'm aware of that, but surely if the Doctor is a Time Lord, so also must his relatives be?

Not if he (or one of his children) cross-bred though. Nothing to stop his son/daughter meeting and reproducing with a human. And isn't it the case that Susan was never explicitly called a Time Lady, only seen as one retrospectively later on?

-

Spoiler: Susan

the Doctor might be part human

?

Journey's End has all but established that can't be true, thankfully.

 

[diankra]

Susan is The Doctor's granddaughter. I don't care what the books say.

Agreed. Terrance Dicks and his loony theories be damned. Terrance can go to hell. Susan IS the Doctor's granddaughter. End of story.

The Looms theory has nothing to do with Terrance Dicks. For what it's worth, his novelizations always go (without stressing it ) with the view that Susan is the Doctor's granddaughter, while his novelization of his own script for The Five Doctors makes it clear that Susan was picked up from a decade or two after Dalek Invasion of Earth (indeed, a Timescoop kidnap scene was scripted, but cut at the last minute), and by which poitn she has three children (two called Ian and Barbara - ahh!).

 

[Count Zero]

All time Lords all Gallifreyans but not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords.

I'm aware of that, but surely if the Doctor is a Time Lord, so also must his relatives be?

Not if he (or one of his children) cross-bred though. Nothing to stop his son/daughter meeting and reproducing with a human. And isn't it the case that Susan was never explicitly called a Time Lady, only seen as one retrospectively later on?

I've just watched the first two seasons until after she leaves and I guess, she was never explicitly called a Time Lady but then again, I don't think the Doctor was called a Time Lord, either. They're just aliens but very little of their background has been established. No wonder since this was made up along the way, so one shouldn't be too nit-picky.
There's no reason to doubt that Susan was the Doctor's real granddaughter, that she was of the same species as him and that she died at some time before nuWho begins.

 

[Captain Pike]

I'm not certain she is dead. The Doctor seems to think all Time Lords have perished, but he is then shown to be wrong about that when the Master shows up..

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I like to think she somehow got back to Gallifrey by the time of the Time War and fled with Romana (and others) to E-Space just prior to the destruction of Gallifrey.

 

[ITL]

I like to think she somehow got back to Gallifrey by the time of the Time War and fled with Romana (and others) to E-Space just prior to the destruction of Gallifrey.

You're holding tightly to your E-Space theory, I see! You're one consistent dude.

Actually, I think it's a fine theory. Sounds good to me.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I like to think she somehow got back to Gallifrey by the time of the Time War and fled with Romana (and others) to E-Space just prior to the destruction of Gallifrey.

You're holding tightly to your E-Space theory, I see! You're one consistent dude.

Actually, I think it's a fine theory. Sounds good to me.

Damn straight I am. It's a plausible and doable theory, so I hope Moffat or someone else further down the line will independently come up with it and utilize it.

 

[ITL]

Abso-bloody-lutely!

 

[Count Zero]

I'm not so sure I ever want to see Susan again, she was pretty annoying.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I'll admit Susan is not one of my favorite companions, but I like the story potential of her character and I'd like to think after a long time away from The Doctor (a few centuries at least?) she has matured a bit.

 

[Captain Pike]

She was uber-annoying. But that's beside the point..