So is Lunix completely useless?

[blaXXer]

Lunix stands for the Loser's unix, btw.

Why do i think it's completely useless? Well here's some points:

The Windows kernels is better than the Linux kernel.

CLI - you could do that with DOS twenty years ago...

It's inferior for development because it doesn't have things like Visual Basic .NET

$699 (which you legally own Novell if you install Linux) is still $300 more than Windows Server 2003.

It ain't ready for 'grandma' (the typical user) because of it'S horrible usability.

Discuss.

 

[Alpha_Geek]

Textbook trolling right from the Encyclopedia Dramitica playbook

Lunix Trolling Techniques
Typical Lunix/BSD users are a sensitive lot. This is because their entire self-esteem is tied up in knowing obscure piping and scripting techniques that nobody in the real world gives a fuck about, (because we in the real world do not smell as bad and are meanwhile having a civilized discussion with chicks). If a Lunix user feels threatened about the coming obsolescence of his beloved OS, untold havoc will be unleashed. This will eventually produce lulz. For this reason, we reveal here the easiest ways to troll a lunix message board or IRC channel.

If the subject of distros comes up, reply, "Yes, but what can [insert distro name] do that Ubuntu can't do?
Claim that the Windows kernel design is better than lunix.
Warn everyone that Mactel will destroy Desktop Lunix
Ask "But can it run BSD?"
If the subject of CLI comes up, reply, "But you could do that with DOS twenty years ago!"
Predict that Solaris will eventually destroy Lunix
Make completely baseless claims that you are the CEO of a major corportion (don't specify which one!) and say you see no future in Lunix.
Tell everyone that Lunix isn't ready for grandma

Discussion over. Back under your bridge!

 

[Lindley]

It's inferior for development

In my experience, C++ code compiles several times faster using one-core make/g++ on Linux than on 4-core Visual Studio. When you make -j to use all available cores on Linux, the difference is ridiculous.

And the lack of a program as easy and useful as valgrind on Windows is a major problem for development there.

Just sayin'.

 

[Shaw]

Funny... with the exception of Windows, the usage of most other platforms is totally done on a voluntary basis. Users of other platforms are all to often forced to use Windows in their work environments and the like, but it is quite rare for a Windows user to have to endure (or even take note) of other platforms.

I don't use Linux. It is a choice... and a passive one at that. I don't use Windows. It was a choice too, but Microsoft and I have history so it wasn't nearly as passive. But always, my platform choice was a choice.

I've asked this before, and this seems like a good time to ask again... where is this hate coming from? Windows users shouldn't feel threatened by other platforms (I don't believe Windows market share has dropped to single digits... though to be honest I don't follow that type of stuff), so there shouldn't be any need for them to even waste time worrying about other platforms.

But this thread seems to show a lot of worry... why is Linux so threatening?

I'm guessing that the opposite of the OP's statements is actually true, and that the hate is actually intended to hide feelings of inferiority in his platform of choice.

Indeed, what I've found is that most hatred aimed at Windows by users of other platforms comes from being forced to use Windows at points in time in their life. It is a natural reaction when choice is removed. But Windows users rarely (if ever) face that, so I can only assume that they are insecure in their platform choice when they display this type of venom.

So I would guess that Linux must be pretty nice these days (not that it wasn't in the past, but something must have set blaXXer off)... so congratulations to Linux users!

 

[SilentP]

I've not got a problem with Linux users, I just don't see the attraction, and when I see people extoll the virtues of it (such as the above mentions of kernels and the like), it all goes over my head...

(Windows 'user' here, whatever that means).

 

[sojourner]

$699 for Lunix? damn. Try Linux instead. It's free.

I use Linux for almost everything but one: gaming.

If game makers did ports for linux the home user base would soar.

 

[Marc]

Lunix stands for the Loser's unix, btw.

Why do i think it's completely useless? Well here's some points:

The Windows kernels is better than the Linux kernel.

CLI - you could do that with DOS twenty years ago...

It's inferior for development because it doesn't have things like Visual Basic .NET

$699 (which you legally own Novell if you install Linux) is still $300 more than Windows Server 2003.

It ain't ready for 'grandma' (the typical user) because of it'S horrible usability.

Discuss.

Linux might not be making it much on the desktop but it's running some very large databases on some very large servers that Windows just won't run on.

Oracle a long stay of the Unix world on systems such as Sun Solaris goes like the clappers and is very very stable.

It's also a reliable base for a variety of different systems
- it could be found running on routers from the likes of linksys either factor default or after market such as the DD-WRT (which gives my Linksys WRT310n more features than the standard operating system ever did).
- telephony - both pure asterisk systems, systems such as trixbox through to the Mitel 3300 which can handle up to 66,000 users
- super computers with hundreds of nodes - include the $US133 million dollar IBM RoadRunner currently the fastest supercomputer.

It gives vendors the ability to customise the system to suit their needs in a way that Microsoft Windows can't and the company won't.

Your comment about SLES is also ill informed. Yes it might cost more than Windows Server but most of what you're paying for is the support. Add on Microsoft's supports costs to Windows server and then get back to us. The majority of Windows licenses are sold as OEM which means it's up the vendor who built your computer to help you.

 

[Brent]

The Windows kernels is better than the Linux kernel.

Prove it

 

[gastrof]

PDNFTT.

 

[Australis]

blaxxer, looks like you were pwned by Alpha_Geek

 

[blaXXer]

Not really, while the source is true, I stand by my comments and am looking forward to rationally discuss (and be informed) about the true answers there obviously are.

 

[Alpha_Geek]

Right. So you weren' trying to bait anyone. Darn shame, since it was such a great attempt. In fact, please accept my compliments on it.

You sir, are a master baiter.

 

[John Picard]

Not really, while the source is true, I stand by my comments and am looking forward to rationally discuss (and be informed) about the true answers there obviously are.

You did not back up one bit of your original post with fact. So much for your looking for rational discussion.

 

[blaXXer]

Oh no, you misunderstood me there, champ. I wasn't looking to discuss, I was looking to be informed by you people (What do you mean by...you people?).
See, I'm an end-user. I use Windows at home and Mac OS/X at work, I haven't got the smalles inkling about Linux. What I however do know is that: Open-Source software has, more often than not problems perfoming the easiest of tasks with ease.

Case in point, Blender. Now, I'm a graphics artist, primarily in print but I have been known to excessively use packages like 3ds max and Maya at University and work. Thus, I thunk:"Gee, if you know how to use those two, blender should be a breeze to use, right?" Wrong.
See, in Blender you can't just work in an established workspace that would be familiar to, you know, actual graphics artists. No, you have to to find your way around the, stupidly designed, UI, plus learn un-changeable shortcuts, plus conventional poly-modelling seems to be not possible. At all.
I've had this problem with quite a few Open-Source packages and I am seriously terrified to look at yet another package with the same problems (potentially Linux).

So, educate me. What does Linux offer me that other OSs can't or won't offer me better, faster, or with better support. (Note, Geek-boards don't count as 'support')

 

[John Picard]

Oh no, you misunderstood me there, champ. I wasn't looking to discuss,

That's not what you said here.

Not really, while the source is true, I stand by my comments and am looking forward to rationally discuss (and be informed) about the true answers there obviously are.

See, I'm an end-user. I use Windows at home and Mac OS/X at work, I haven't got the smalles inkling about Linux. What I however do know is that: Open-Source software has, more often than not problems perfoming the easiest of tasks with ease.

Stop right there. Let's go back to your original post.

Lunix stands for the Loser's unix, btw.

Why do i think it's completely useless? Well here's some points:

The Windows kernels is better than the Linux kernel.

Wait, you said you know nothing about Linux, but you're making a brash statement that the Windows Kernel is superior.

CLI - you could do that with DOS twenty years ago...

It's inferior for development because it doesn't have things like Visual Basic .NET

How is not being able to develop with VB .Net considered to be inferior? By your logic, all Macs are inferior since they cannot develop VB .Net code.

$699 (which you legally own Novell if you install Linux) is still $300 more than Windows Server 2003.

So if I buy a copy of Linux for $699 I would own Novell? Sweet!

It ain't ready for 'grandma' (the typical user) because
of it'S horrible usability.

Not every O/S is for everyone's needs. Unix, as a whole, has been around since the late-60's. That's a testament right there to its durability and abilities. If Windows (as a whole) is so wonderful, why was Vista such a wash? Then again, I am confused as to why your initial statement is in reference to Windows, then to Windows 2003. Do you mean to imply that Windows 2003 is superior as a server management product than Linux?

Discuss.

Well now which is it. Your broad and opinionated (trolling) statements, or a rational discussion about certain products?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

If you don't like having full control over your operating environment, then many of the advantages of Linux will be lost on you. You can fine-tune Linux to a far greater degree than you can Windows.

If you really want to be convinced about Linux, download Wubi and install Ubuntu non-destructively. Windows won't go anywhere, and if you end up not liking Ubuntu, just run Wubi again to uninstall it. No risk.

My Ubuntu installation was completely unattended, as I recall. When I came back to it, it was ready to rock, with every last device detected and operational. You might be thinking, "but Windows does that, too." Actually, it doesn't. Your PC just happens to ship with drivers, but Microsoft did not provide those, usually.

Because it's a different operating system, expect a learning curve. If it suits your needs, great. If not, go back to Windows.

Linux advocacy is often a misguided, futile effort, but this sort of nonsensical trolling is even worse.

 

[drasche]

You can use VB.NET or C# to develop cross-platform applications thanks to Mono. Works on Linux, Windows and MacOS X.

My two cents

 

[blaXXer]

If you don't like having full control over your operating environment, then many of the advantages of Linux will be lost on you. You can fine-tune Linux to a far greater degree than you can Windows.

If you really want to be convinced about Linux, download Wubi and install Ubuntu non-destructively. Windows won't go anywhere, and if you end up not liking Ubuntu, just run Wubi again to uninstall it. No risk.

My Ubuntu installation was completely unattended, as I recall. When I came back to it, it was ready to rock, with every last device detected and operational. You might be thinking, "but Windows does that, too." Actually, it doesn't. Your PC just happens to ship with drivers, but Microsoft did not provide those, usually.

Because it's a different operating system, expect a learning curve. If it suits your needs, great. If not, go back to Windows.

Linux advocacy is often a misguided, futile effort, but this sort of nonsensical trolling is even worse.

You can use VB.NET or C# to develop cross-platform applications thanks to Mono. Works on Linux, Windows and MacOS X.

My two cents

Thanks, you two. that was the comments I wanted to hear Any more good arguments?

 

[sojourner]

The next Full up revision of Blender they are going to rectify alot of the UI problems you mentioned.

 

[blaXXer]

Well, to be honest, I've been hearing about that ince I don't know when.
Also with their attitude that only 'noobs' don't mesh well with their interface and that you are unworthy of their time when asking for a 'mod' I doubt it will ever happen.
They're no usability experts, no sir.