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Why did Janeway have a bond with Seven of Nine? And why did She want to stand by her when no one else did?
Seven was above human interaction, because she had machine telepathy creating a gestalt consciousness.
Becoming "human“ seems more like regressing into a wild animal, than being elevated into an essential item for a galactic consciousness.
Seven can build transwarp warp coils, but the Prime Directive forbade Janeway from insisting that the Borgette take her crew home immediately.
Becoming "human“ seems more like regressing into a wild animal, than being elevated into an essential item for a galactic consciousness.
Seven can build transwarp warp coils, but the Prime Directive forbade Janeway from insisting that the Borgette take her crew home immediately.
Welcome to the board, John. I have to say, your threads sound a bit like essay questions to be completed upon watching said show. 
But sure, as the seasons progressed, Janeway was written more & more as a protective and caring captain towards her crew, rather than professional and little-to-no mingling with the crew. So by that point, it would've been almost out-of-character for her ditch Seven.
Hope my mini-essay earns an A!
But sure, as the seasons progressed, Janeway was written more & more as a protective and caring captain towards her crew, rather than professional and little-to-no mingling with the crew. So by that point, it would've been almost out-of-character for her ditch Seven.
Hope my mini-essay earns an A!
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John Stefan
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I completely love your answers. Yes it does earn an A. And I personally do not think that my threads sound like essay questions but that is just my personal opinion.
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In What way was Seven of Nine above human interaction? I look forward to some replies.
kind regards John Stefan
kind regards John Stefan
Seven tried cordially to talk to Voyager's crew with MACHINE TELEPATHY like any civilized drone would, and they blanked her. Acted as if she hadn't began a radio telephonic handshake distressing her turbulent life story, and the history of the Borg.
These humans were either unequipped, ignorant or assholes.
Talking with her mouth, is unfortunate, exhausting and unpleasant, and any one that makes her revert to such an outmoded and deficient method of communication is a dumb ass caveman in need of assimilation.
These humans were either unequipped, ignorant or assholes.
Talking with her mouth, is unfortunate, exhausting and unpleasant, and any one that makes her revert to such an outmoded and deficient method of communication is a dumb ass caveman in need of assimilation.
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Not to mention forcing Seven to ingest solid food. Gross.
I still say they were sleeping together in The Killing Game.
Sure they don't remember it, but those feelings of intimacy probably clung to their subconscious in the subsequent seasons.
Sure they don't remember it, but those feelings of intimacy probably clung to their subconscious in the subsequent seasons.
In many popular fanfictions, Janeway and Seven are lovers and even form an official couple with its ups and downs much to the chagrin of Chakotay., who doesn't understand how the object of his fantasies (Janeway) could have spent so much time with Seven after work to finally, fall in love with her, a curt-mannered Borg, who thinks and acts as a machine but whois able too, to return the same feelings.
Honestly, in some scenes between Kathryn Janeway and Seven of Nine, the question arises so much sometimes, Kate Mulgrew and Jeri Ryan's looks and gestures were ambiguous. And say that that the 2 did not get along prove even more how professional and dedicated they were in their job!
Anyway, I love Janeway/Seven's scenes, from their tensed relationship in the beginning (s4) to their mutual respect and admiration in following seasons, except in s7 where they were quite distant from each other.
Hi,
I loved how Voyager explored women’s friendships far beyond what had been done before in Trek. Janeway mentored and nurtured Seven emotionally, helped her accept her new life and adapt to the crew, took great risks for her at times--a complex relationship with ups and downs. Janeway was supportive to Kes and B’Elanna as well, but Seven needed guiding and discipline far more.
Apparently Mulgrew was initially bothered by the attention to Ryan’s looks, but it never showed, and in an interview a few years ago she said “Seven of Nine is what brought Janeway to life, as a deeply human woman... and I am deeply grateful for that.”
I loved how Voyager explored women’s friendships far beyond what had been done before in Trek. Janeway mentored and nurtured Seven emotionally, helped her accept her new life and adapt to the crew, took great risks for her at times--a complex relationship with ups and downs. Janeway was supportive to Kes and B’Elanna as well, but Seven needed guiding and discipline far more.
Apparently Mulgrew was initially bothered by the attention to Ryan’s looks, but it never showed, and in an interview a few years ago she said “Seven of Nine is what brought Janeway to life, as a deeply human woman... and I am deeply grateful for that.”
I totally agree. Janeway and Kes seemed to be close friends.
You're correct. writers developped quite well Janeway's relationships but, I think that the ones with Tuvok, Kes, Seven and Tom were particularly special for different reasons, at least for me. But yes, Janeway was surrounded by brillant minds and soul (I include Harry to the list, here) and she tried to be supportive and friendly maybe too much sometimes at the point that some of them took advantage of her support to do what they want like the Doctor and even Chakotay in certain occasions.
As for the behind-the-scene, I'm glad that Mulgrew understood that Seven had allowed to Janeway to grew at the point that s4 was the highlight of the show for a lot of fans.
Not her looks.
However misplaced, Mulgrew was angry that Jennifer Lein had been fired, to make room for Jeri Ryan, so Mulgrew created a very hostile work environment.
Yes, I've read that Mulgrew was quite upset when Kes was written out.
I haven’t been watching PIC but did read that Seven has been redefined as gay, something Jeri Taylor had originally pushed for. And I’m glad to hear that DISC has a homosexual couple. I just meant that in VOY, Janeway and Seven related as mentor / protégé. Disconnected and overwhelmed, Seven confesses to Janeway “I cannot function this way — alone,” and Janeway responds “You aren’t alone…I’m willing to help you.” And she does, sometimes going all out to save her.
I haven’t been watching PIC but did read that Seven has been redefined as gay, something Jeri Taylor had originally pushed for. And I’m glad to hear that DISC has a homosexual couple. I just meant that in VOY, Janeway and Seven related as mentor / protégé. Disconnected and overwhelmed, Seven confesses to Janeway “I cannot function this way — alone,” and Janeway responds “You aren’t alone…I’m willing to help you.” And she does, sometimes going all out to save her.
Bi, actually, same as Raffi.
In her own way, Seven was more lost and vulnerable than Kes. Seven had to wear a skintight catsuit and heels, the opposite of Kes with her little-girl jumper and pixie hair – but Seven was oblivious to her sexuality, it was irrelevant. Jeri Ryan once mentioned being a National Merit scholar, said it drove her nuts when she was mistaken for a bimbo.
I liked how VOY writer Bryan Fuller called Seven the “wild child raised by wolves…. she did not respect Starfleet or the chain of command, and that was interesting for Janeway to struggle with. I would argue that the dynamic of Janeway, the Doctor and Seven of Nine is as exciting as …Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, which has always been the pinnacle of Star Trek storytelling and their dynamic between emotion and logic and humanity.”
I liked how VOY writer Bryan Fuller called Seven the “wild child raised by wolves…. she did not respect Starfleet or the chain of command, and that was interesting for Janeway to struggle with. I would argue that the dynamic of Janeway, the Doctor and Seven of Nine is as exciting as …Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, which has always been the pinnacle of Star Trek storytelling and their dynamic between emotion and logic and humanity.”
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IF some of you watched the last episode of Star Trek: Picard, they had to see a scene where Seven told to Raffi, her colleague and girlfriend, that a few time after the return of Voyager on Earth, Seven's Borgness caused a lot of talks at Starfleet (and surely the Federation) to know if she could be one of them and
the trend was rather negative despite everything Seven had done for Voyager and her crew, to the point that Janeway threatened to resign but out of respect for her former Captain and friend, she had decided to focus on something else and that's how she became a space ranger... who later kept helping Starfleet capitains! What an irony
So yes, the relationship between Janeway and Seven was very strong to push a respected officer to weigh with all her weight in being ready to sacrifice her career for her protegée.
the trend was rather negative despite everything Seven had done for Voyager and her crew, to the point that Janeway threatened to resign but out of respect for her former Captain and friend, she had decided to focus on something else and that's how she became a space ranger... who later kept helping Starfleet capitains! What an irony
So yes, the relationship between Janeway and Seven was very strong to push a respected officer to weigh with all her weight in being ready to sacrifice her career for her protegée.
A little correction: when I refer to the last episode of ST: Picard, it was the 2x09. The final season was aired
recently and I haven't watched it yet but if I believe some comments let on Twitter, it seems that Seven got finally her due... but I still don't know about what they refered.
recently and I haven't watched it yet but if I believe some comments let on Twitter, it seems that Seven got finally her due... but I still don't know about what they refered.
Yeah, turns out Seven tried to enrol in Starfleet but she wasn't allowed due to being Borg (yet Icheb was, go figure). The final episode gives her her due, though...
When they're restored to their own era and timeline, Admiral Picard gives Seven command of the U.S.S. Stargazer during the current crisis
