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Revisiting the DS9 Tech Manual: Internal Deck Structures

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Well the DS9 Tech manual is usually WAY WRONG in almost all respect, but can be used as a good starting point.

As for DS9 itself? I don't know, Can't really compare it with any docked ships since the scales are way off on most shots, as for others doing a deck by deck diagram? Good for them! :bolian:
 
Agreed that the book was internally inconsistent. TNG TM gave them an out via the Starfleet Intelligence disinformation programme on p. vii, I note again... :-)
 
FWIW, Sternbach has said the 1,4?? (I forget the exact) meter diameter for the station is the correct size. It came up on Facebook a couple weeks ago.
 
Well, "correct" is pretty relative here. We have the Promenade window size and Ops diameter; we have the comparison with a Galaxy; we have the comparison with a Nebula; we have the comparison with a Danube. They all disagree, with each other (the first and last being the closest matches, as they obviously match the design specs of the model before the upscaling), and especially with the "correct" size.

In addition, we have ambiguous things such as Defiant comparison (a circular argument given the ambiguities regarding the Defiant) or comparison with spacewalking figures (perspective issues there). We might just as well decide upon whatever a figure of authority says, then, because there's no in-universe reality to lend us support...

Timo Saloniemi
 
As said, given film sizing issues, constant and NEVER agreeing with each other. Go with Rick.

Met him at Wonderfest a few years back, insisted on being called Rick. Nice guy.
 
I remember when I first saw a bunch of the (horribly drawn) ship orthos that were included in that book that apparently represented the various Frankenfleet kitbashes that appeared in the background and thought :ack:!! Those can't be right!

Little did I know at the time... :lol:
 
There are other references scattered throughout the text to there being 36 decks in the Core,

I did an Amazon Search Inside the Book and found only one reference on page 96 to Level 36 of an unspecified area (in addition to 1, 3, 6, 11, 15, 24 and 30) containing “atmospheric chemistry subsystems and airflow handlers”. This could easily be two levels below “all 34 levels of the Station Core” (p. 110) and technically not part of the Core itself.

According to “Civil Defense” (DS9), Level 34 features control junctions for the laser fusion initiator, which puts them close to the bottom if not necessarily on the lowest central level.

Not so sure about the Pylons yet...

Six pylons with 252 levels total implies 42 per each upper or lower pylon, though Doug Drexler’s cutaway suggests there should be more assuming even spacing throughout. What we know from “Crossfire” (DS9) is that Level 41 was on the way of a turbolift returning to the Docking Ring, so even 42 would be fine.

Well the DS9 Tech manual is usually WAY WRONG in almost all respect, but can be used as a good starting point.

That’s a misconception based on the likelyhood that many, if not most readers were rather looking for definitive answers on the Defiant class, the other Starfleet and alien classes, which was difficult since they’d been created by various designers, many of whom would only take them as far as sketches and leave the remainder for the visual effects and graphics artists to develop independently as needed, while at the same time writers would scatter odd references which fans would then collect on websites.

Rick Sternbach finalized concepts, drew construction plans and interior layout for the DS9 station, aside from designing the Danube-class runabout with assistance from Jim Martin and drawing its own miniature blueprints, so there is little reason to dispute the bulk of the material, while the rest is either controversial to this day or can be reconciled with other sources.

We might just as well decide upon whatever a figure of authority says, then, because there's no in-universe reality to lend us support...

On the other hand, the intended in-universe visual reality was that DS9 measure 5,280 feet in diameter (as seen repeatedly in VFX charts and comments), which is what the viewer would acquire a sense for without second-guessing size relationships in the individual shots, so the “real” station might easily have proportions that are not at all a match for the six-foot miniature, which in the end was only a tool used to create the desired shots.

I remember when I first saw a bunch of the (horribly drawn) ship orthos that were included in that book that apparently represented the various Frankenfleet kitbashes that appeared in the background and thought :ack:!! Those can't be right

It turned out they needed redrawing and finessing based on actual model photos that were released later, but as with station proportions, the viewer wasn’t supposed to look that closely. It would have been better to omit those ships since in the end the representative fleet became the classic models that ended up in CGI.
 
On the other hand, the intended in-universe visual reality was that DS9 measure 5,280 feet in diameter (as seen repeatedly in VFX charts and comments), which is what the viewer would acquire a sense for without second-guessing size relationships in the individual shots

I'm not sure how this is supposed to work. What the viewer sees in the episodes could be two feet across for all he cares: there's nothing to provide a "sense", other than just possibly the rows of windows which might make this odd object resemble something familiar such as a building. But the window rows were created back when the station was like half the "intended in-universe visual reality" size.

The only truly familiar thing the station ever gets visually compared with is the E-D. All the other spacecraft are either obscure or not seen next to the station. And the one E-D visit in the show and one in her own show put together don't really amount to much, although the "Emissary" shot was absolutely necessary for providing any scale at all. Still, while "a mile across" is what the discerning viewer would take home from that episode, the size of the E-D is far from visually obvious, too...

Timo Saloniemi
 
I don’t mean that the casual viewer would learn anything about a diameter, but more that “the Defiant fits like this, the runabout like that, the Voyager-looking background ship like so, and of course the station has thirty-something levels, and the Promenade windows fit perfectly.”

Now, when developing actual station plans down to each level, do we necessarily keep the station looking like the miniature, or do we stretch it and extend the pylons while keeping the Habitat Ring and the Core about the same (with some window adjustments to fit the sets), in order to come as close to the viewer’s vague sense as possible? The DS9TM compromise requires levels of almost twice the usual height, but it’s clear that was never the intent (and Doug Drexler’s cutaway just makes them look good, in accordance with the original scale).
 
Additional consideration: the tips of the pylons - dorsal and ventral sets - have to have enough space between them to host at least a Galaxy-class ship docked to any one of the six pylons with room for smaller ships to dock with the other two in whichever triad.
And a Galaxy has 42 decks, barring refits.
 
Does the BBS software send 3 alerts for being mentioned like that several times in the same post? I’m kind of curious now... :lol:
 
So the question for Rick Sternbach is whether Level 36 from p. 96 is two levels down from 34 as the lowest Core level (p. 110)? Consequently, what’s the lowest central level number, and as an aside, how are they laid out and numbered in the pylons?
 
I saw a BTS filming shot of a low detail Galaxy and Galor docked to the DS9 filming model, but I can’t find it now.

Edit: there it is

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Nevertheless, it's far from said that Cardassians would design the station with the idea that all three pylons would be occupied simultaneously. Perhaps this is never supposed to happen, and the sequence in which transports dock with the pylons is dictated by the inner workings of the refinement process, there needing to be a pause of 37 hours between each docking and dumping of ore / loading of refined precious materials, and the ships thus alternately docking at A, B and C for efficiency.

That the pylons get abused in a wholly different operational mode during the Federation Occupation just makes O'Brien's hair go grey, without telling us much about the station's intended or eventual capabilities.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Would refining operations require anything larger than a Groumall-type freighter? You could easily dock six of those simultaneously, or even Bok Nor-type.
 
We really can't tell, as we never saw a station of that type process ore from start to finish. How does the rock get from the planet to the station? In ships, or via transporter? Sternbach sez it's the former: the rock is poured in at the top, goes through the middle, and the product emerges from the bottom, and there are docking ports at both ends, supposedly with chutes in addition to airlocks. But we have no idea what type of ship would move the rock or the product, and it's a bit unlikely the same type would handle both.

The Groumall type is nice enough a candidate even if we only ever see it haul general goods or people, never bulk. But it doesn't appear to be much good in surface-to-orbit ("For the Uniform" assumes it would be in grave distress if dipping into an atmosphere, admittedly without power), and its warp capability would be wasted in moving rock from Bajor to the station.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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