Rank the Quadrants

[c0rnedfr0g]

Based on what is known about the various quadrants' species, rank them from most powerful/threatening to least as of the end of Nemesis, assuming each quadrant was to unite (keep in mind that the Klingon and Romulan Star Empires reside mainly in the Beta Quadrant, don't they?). For those species whose territories expand beyond Quadrant boundaries, guesstimate influence in each (ex: X% of Talaxian Empire in Delta Quadrant, Y% of Talaxian Empire in Gamma Quadrant).

My rankings (until influenced by other posters):
Delta
Gamma
Beta
Alpha

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Delta - The Borg alone seem to show this.
Gamma - The Dominion pretty much kicks all ass. Without the help of the Klingons and Romulans the Federation would have lost the war against the Dominion.
Alpha - The Federation is much larger and advanced than the Klingons and Romulans put together IMO.
Beta - For reasons already expressed.

 

[captcalhoun]

uh... Talaxian Empire?!

Delta (Borg, Vaadwuar, Hirogen, Voth)
Gamma (Dominion)
Alpha (UFP, Breen, Tholians, Cardassians)
Beta (UFP, Klingons, Romulans, Gorn)

 

[MIB]

Beta quadrant is #1, in my book. Largely because that's Species 8472's turf.

Delta is next because of the Borg presence there.

Gamma is third because of the Dominion's hegemony there.

Alpha would be dead last in my book. Frankly any major altercations the Federation had have ended in victory by only the slimmest of margins.

 

[captcalhoun]

8472 aren't even from our universe, never mind the BQ

 

[Anika Hanson]

Gamma (Dominion, and just due to the fact that so much of it is largely unknown)

Delta (The borg)

Beta (The romulans, klingons)

Alpha

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Beta quadrant is #1, in my book. Largely because that's Species 8472's turf.

excuse me?

You sure you're a Trekkie? 8472 are from Fluidic Space, a completely different dimension and were only able to enter our dimension into the Delta Quadrant because the Borg opened Quantum Singularities.

 

[Gepard]

You sure you're a Trekkie? 8472 are from Fluidic Space, a completely different dimension and were only able to enter our dimension into the Delta Quadrant because the Borg opened Quantum Singularities.

But by that time, Voyager had traveled so far, it should have been in the Beta Quadrant, despite whatever Delta Quadrant references were still in the show. So saying that 8472 arrived in the Beta Quadrant is, technically, correct. Even if the writers felt their audience was too stupid to wrap their brains around Voyager moving into another quadrant of the galaxy.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

You sure you're a Trekkie? 8472 are from Fluidic Space, a completely different dimension and were only able to enter our dimension into the Delta Quadrant because the Borg opened Quantum Singularities.

But by that time, Voyager had traveled so far, it should have been in the Beta Quadrant, despite whatever Delta Quadrant references were still in the show. So saying that 8472 arrived in the Beta Quadrant is, technically, correct. Even if the writers felt their audience was too stupid to wrap their brains around Voyager moving into another quadrant of the galaxy.

What makes you believe they had entered the Beta Quadrant though? Voyager had only just entered Borg space (which is in the Delta Quadrant) when they learnt about species 8472 attacking the Borg so their first appearance was indeed in the Delta Quadrant, it was only after their discovery that the Borg agreed to take them to the other side of their territory but there's no reason to believe they were even taken as far as the Beta Quadrant. All episodes after this with 7of9 clearly shows they're still travelling in the Delta Quadrant. If they HAD been taken as far as the Beta Quadrant then they're were practically home already. Even where they first come across those ancient communication satellites powered by micro blackholes they START in the Delta Quadrant and spread into the Beta.

But by that time, Voyager had traveled so far, it should have been in the Beta Quadrant,

There's no way they'd travelled something like 65 years to the Beta Quadrant, it was taking 75 just to reach the Alpha. The only times Voyager got a push forward was that Tetryon Catapult thing and the Borg towing them through their territory, the second didn't even happen until after 8472 were discovered.

 

[Gepard]

The only times Voyager got a push forward was that Tetryon Catapult thing and the Borg towing them through their territory, the second didn't even happen until after 8472 were discovered.

...And the ginormous 9,500 light-year push Kes gave them, the 10,000 light years they got out of the Quantum Slipstream drive in "Timeless", the 2,500 light year jump through a wormhole in "The Void," the 20,000 light years they got out of the Borg Sphere's transwarp coil... The Tetryon Catapault only shaved 600 light years off thier journey!

Brief mention of the Beta Quadrant issue can be found here, about halfway down the page.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Gamma Quadrant rules! All others drools.

Congrats for coming up with a thread topic that I haven't yet seen - and I've been here NINE years.

 

[Renvar]

Gamma - Dominion, beaten but not destroyed.
Delta - Borg, see Dominion
Alpha - The fact that Starfleet could rustle up a fleet of ships to protect the Enterprise from Shinzon, while (I'm assuming) not sacrificing strategic holdings in other parts of the Federation.
Beta - Romulan government in shambles post-Shinzon, Klingon Empire still rebuilding and solidifying holds in the (former?) Cardassian Empire.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

The only times Voyager got a push forward was that Tetryon Catapult thing and the Borg towing them through their territory, the second didn't even happen until after 8472 were discovered.

...And the ginormous 9,500 light-year push Kes gave them, the 10,000 light years they got out of the Quantum Slipstream drive in "Timeless", the 2,500 light year jump through a wormhole in "The Void," the 20,000 light years they got out of the Borg Sphere's transwarp coil... The Tetryon Catapault only shaved 600 light years off thier journey!

Brief mention of the Beta Quadrant issue can be found here, about halfway down the page.

How much of that happened AFTER they met 8472? hmmm.

 

[The Wormhole]

I think I can shed some light as to why some folks think Species 8472 was in the Beta Quadrant. In Unimtarix Zero, Seven of Nine's boyfriend said he was on a Borg ship stationed in the Beta Quadrant near an opening to Fluidic Space.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

I think I can shed some light as to why some folks think Species 8472 was in the Beta Quadrant. In Unimtarix Zero, Seven of Nine's boyfriend said he was on a Borg ship stationed in the Beta Quadrant near an opening to Fluidic Space.

Thanks for that.

So let's get this straight then. Basically they were entering into our space via two Quadrants (Delta & Beta), but that still doesn't alter the fact that 1) Voyager came across them in the Delta Quadrant and 2) they arn't from any Quadrant, they're from fluidic space.

 

[nx1701g]

Delta
Gamma
Beta
Alpha

 

[MIB]

I think I can shed some light as to why some folks think Species 8472 was in the Beta Quadrant. In Unimtarix Zero, Seven of Nine's boyfriend said he was on a Borg ship stationed in the Beta Quadrant near an opening to Fluidic Space.

Specifcally he said the "border" (or was it boundry?) of fluidic space. Which led me to think they weren't monitoring a link to fluidic space, but fluidic space itself. But I suppose that would be open to interpretation.

excuse me?

You sure you're a Trekkie?

I'm pretty sure I am so there's no need to have your BP start spiking. It's not like I made it up. It was stated on screen.

 

[I am not Spock]

Delta- Borg, Hirogen, Vaaduwaar, Krenim (with their big time altering weapon ship), yep, pretty much a no-brainer
Gamma- Dominion is the only real major power in that part of the galaxy. Maybe the Hunters from 'Captive Pursuit' (DS9) as well.
Beta- Klingons, Romulans
Alpha- UFP, Cardies, Bajorans, not much else.

Then there's the races which don't count, like the Q Continuum, the Cytherians, the God entity from STV, the Prophets, 8472, etc.

 

[JayTheTrekkie]

Mine would be like this:

Delta Quadrant
Beta Quadrant
Gamma Quadrant
Alpha Quadrant

 

[RobertScorpio]

So little love for the home team...

ALPHA...The Federation has beat all comers, and who cares if they have to team up to do it?

Gamma Quadrant...Dominion is tough

Delta Quadrant...Borg are so over-rated.

Beta Quadrant...well, at least we have Sulu over there trying to find gas clouds.

Rob
Scorpio