Possible list of Found Episodes leaked

[Rich Watson]

Probably just as unreliable as any other list but there was a news story recently about possible discoveries so just in case...

Galaxy 4 Ep 2
The Myth Makers Eps 2 & 4
The Smugglers Eps 2 & 4*
The Highlanders Ep 2
The Space Pirates Eps 3, 4 & 5

*Interestingly "The Smugglers" was rumoured for an animation a while back, which sounded odd as historicals tend to sell poorly.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

News story from whom?

And what's the source on this supposed list?

 

[matthunter]

Yeah, cite the source.

Smugglers would probably be more notable than the average historical as it's Ben & Polly's first TARDIS trip.

 

[Rich Watson]

Tracing it back a few steps, it seems to come from an Apple TV listing of episodes that are available on Britbox and/or Amazon Prime.
However looking at the episode details, there's various mistakes in them.

So like I said probably as unreliable as (almost) every other "find" but also weird that they just randomly decided to add them.

http://redirect.viglink.com/?key=71.../doctor-who/umc.cmc.52lqyxkhn6bwoa05vvln5jbaa

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Well...that's completely nothing.

 

[Rich Watson]

Well...that's completely nothing.

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[Shawnster]

Not a list, but I read this story beginning of June.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/more-lost-doctor-who-episodes-30195820

EXCLUSIVE: More lost Doctor Who episodes uncovered in global hunt by 'film world's Indiana Jones'
Archive TV hunter Philip Morris has revealed he knows of four missing episodes which exist in private hands in the UK, plus another two which he’s tracked down overseas

 

[marillion]

Ok... I know the answer really boils down to "Because reasons" but why on earth, if you knew you had episodes of a TV show that have been the subject of a world-wide hunt over the years, would you not just come forward with them? They're potentially worth a lot of money for the person(s) who have them and this way they would be preserved, instead of left to deteriorate in a cardboard box under the bed.

Obviously, if you didn't know a loved one had them stashed, that's one thing. but if you know what you've got, why hoard it?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Just so you know I've long since had you blocked. So unless I happen not to be logged in I miss 99% of your abuse. Feel free to keep pissing into the wind though.

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Asking for a source and then judging the lack thereof is abuse?

 

[matthunter]

Yeah you'd have to be more delicate than an IBS sufferer's guts after a Madras to think that was abuse.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Not a list, but I read this story beginning of June.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/more-lost-doctor-who-episodes-30195820

EXCLUSIVE: More lost Doctor Who episodes uncovered in global hunt by 'film world's Indiana Jones'
Archive TV hunter Philip Morris has revealed he knows of four missing episodes which exist in private hands in the UK, plus another two which he’s tracked down overseas

Yeah...except it's the Mirror. And Philip Morris has been yanking our chains for years. I honestly don't really trust him anymore until actual evidence is provided.

Ok... I know the answer really boils down to "Because reasons" but why on earth, if you knew you had episodes of a TV show that have been the subject of a world-wide hunt over the years, would you not just come forward with them? They're potentially worth a lot of money for the person(s) who have them and this way they would be preserved, instead of left to deteriorate in a cardboard box under the bed.

Obviously, if you didn't know a loved one had them stashed, that's one thing. but if you know what you've got, why hoard it?

There's been rumors (granted, I think part of those claims have come from Morris himself) that there's some collector who is sitting on a bunch of episodes and refuses to sell them (which is what the Mirror is referring to albeit with no new actual information). I imagine that's a huge ego trip for them and I'm sure that's the case if there are any other such people who knowingly have them.

That said, the most likely source for missing episodes these days is going to be tucked away in some storage facility, forgotten by time.

As well as the possibility of them being in mislabeled cannisters, boxes, etc. I think that was even the case for one of the more recent finds.

 

[The Wormhole]

Not that anyone's supposed to care, but Ian Levine is giving himself a heart attack on Twitter over these stories. I mean, I get his skepticism, in fact I share it. But dude really needs to take a chill pill, seriously.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

That's just Ian Levine 101.

Get back to me when he says something kindly. About anything.

 

[Timofnine]

Probably just as unreliable as any other list but there was a news story recently about possible discoveries so just in case...

Galaxy 4 Ep 2
The Myth Makers Eps 2 & 4
The Smugglers Eps 2 & 4*
The Highlanders Ep 2
The Space Pirates Eps 3, 4 & 5

*Interestingly "The Smugglers" was rumoured for an animation a while back, which sounded odd as historicals tend to sell poorly.

The Smugglers was one of my favourite Target novelisation along with the Daleks Master Plan when I was younger.

I was actually sure for years on end that I had seen The Smugglers. Can anyone help me identify this episode I remember from when I was younger, as I was reading this book around the time that I saw this episode so connected them both in my head: William Hartnell (escaping?!) up a spiralling stair case leading up the inside of a lighthouse?

 

[Mr Awe]

No one would be more excited that newly found episodes than I. But I'm highly skeptical. We've been down this road before!

 

[Timby]

Just so you know I've long since had you blocked. So unless I happen not to be logged in I miss 99% of your abuse. Feel free to keep pissing into the wind though.

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Lighten up, Francis.

 

[Haggis and tatties]

Thankfully i already own every episode of Who, even the wiped ones, but i may at some point in the future allow you all to see them, we shall see.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

*skims thread, leaves thread*

 

[Qonundrum]

Probably just as unreliable as any other list but there was a news story recently about possible discoveries so just in case...

Galaxy 4 Ep 2
The Myth Makers Eps 2 & 4
The Smugglers Eps 2 & 4*
The Highlanders Ep 2
The Space Pirates Eps 3, 4 & 5

*Interestingly "The Smugglers" was rumoured for an animation a while back, which sounded odd as historicals tend to sell poorly.

At least the ocassionally-mentioned "The Tenth Planet 4" isn't included in the list, nor are other fan-favorite stories as low-hanging fruit.

Even if someone had films in a basement or attic - those will not lose value just because they were digitized and repaired. The actual artifact is 100% unique and irreplaceable. Real history. Any one of us has probably bought a recreation of some piece of pottery circa ancient Rome, or even a calendar with a crisp 35mm print of said pottery (with all the fun bits showing and all!). The actual piece in the museum didn't lose any value as a result of photos or replicas made. Why would it be any different for a piece of film?

Ditto for the filmed inserts for "The Two Doctors", held by a private collector and likely for the same cause and reason*, who refused to lend them out to be digitized for the blu-ray release. Whether they actually still exist or not, however...

* correlation not always being related to causation, but that's a given​

It's interesting that the episodes in question are predominantly from the latter half of the historical range, plus "The Space Pirates".

The following links go to articles where said episodes were sold to:
https://broadwcast.org/index.php/William_Hartnell_stories
https://broadwcast.org/index.php/Patrick_Troughton_stories

Since not all films would be duly returned, some were abandoned, some taken by collectors, some junked in their destination countries (but possibly a dumpster diver found something cool and kept it), or so on. Even those that were returned and dumpstered could easily have been saved by a private collector.

IMHO, Galaxy 4, Highlanders, and The Space Pirates hold the most potential interest.

I've a feeling "The Space Pirates" has a bad reputation because the sole episode in known existence is a bit rubbish (even with one lazy visual effect, where getting the polarity of the large magnets wrong hurls the base's segment in the wrong direction (toward and through the others, not the other way, oops.) The Enemy of the World and The Underwater Menace both had reputations of being rubbish until other episodes were found and returned. Both their respective part 3s were clearly filler and padding; the newly-recovered episodes of those stories containing actual plot build-up and character development and were surprisingly marvelous and a joy to see.

Galaxy 4 ep 3 shouldn't have been as entertaining as it was, but it works...

Highlanders remains a curiosity.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

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