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Paramount ruins the trek movies with excessive DNR

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The Trek movies 1-6 release today in the U.S. on Blu-ray, and it turns out most of the original film grain has been digitally scrubbed away leading to waxy, unnatural images, please see these comparison screenshots (DVD, HDTV Broadcast, Blu-Ray) before making your choice
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1146477


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The only one that bothers me is the shot of the Enterprise in spacedock. The rest look fine.
 
The noise reduction does look unnecessarily aggressive, but the color "correction" is worse. The blue color cast is quite bad in the Kirk/Spock scene.
 
I don't own BluRay at the moment but I have no issues with the look and sound of the movies on disc in any format.
 
I've seen ST2 about 50 gajillion times, and when you watch the movie in HD, you don't really notice the color change. If you don't have a blu-ray player, you can check it out in HD on xbox live.
 
There's along thread about it at the Home Theater Forum.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf...r-trek-films-blu-ray-what-we-know-so-far.html

But it doesn't get into the actual BDs until towards the end of page 19.

Many people are complaining about the waxy look of 4 and the loss of detail thanks to aggressive DNR in most of the rest of the movies.

By the way, grain is your friend since fine detail is retained in the grain, and washing that smooth also washes away the detail that stays put within the grain.

Then there's Bill Hunt's quickie review at the Digital Bits...

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa167.html#trekbd2

There, he says that TWoK is the best representation of all of them since it actually is a new transfer.

It appears that all the others are older transfers done when heavy DNR scrubbing was still the norm.
 
JDF said:
There's along thread about it at the Home Theater Forum.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf...r-trek-films-blu-ray-what-we-know-so-far.html

But it doesn't get into the actual BDs until towards the end of page 19.

Many people are complaining about the waxy look of 4 and the loss of detail thanks to aggressive DNR in most of the rest of the movies.

By the way, grain is your friend since fine detail is retained in the grain, and washing that smooth also washes away the detail that stays put within the grain.

Then there's Bill Hunt's quickie review at the Digital Bits...

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa167.html#trekbd2

There, he says that TWoK is the best representation of all of them since it actually is a new transfer.

It appears that all the others are older transfers done when heavy DNR scrubbing was still the norm.
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Some folks equate grain with video noise, and they're not equivalent at all. When I try to explain that DNR is like smoothing over the cracks in a great old painting, and thus obliterating the detailed artistry, I get huge blank stares.

I'm surprised TVH is a problem; it was shot in so much smoke there wasn't much detail to obliterate, at least in the live-action.

The TMP fx screengrabs I've seen are a shock; you see MORE good stuff around the edges, but the rest of the object is like a wash (I have one someplace from the ship as the sun rises behind it, and looking at it practically induces schizophrenia, because you THINK 'wow!' and then immediately go, 'huh?' because it SEEMS to look better, but doesn't.

I think the vger cloud is going to be where the detail being diminished really hurts; it could actually help the vger craft though, where sometimes you see too much detail.
 
There have been no official reviews of the movies yet. Only screenshots from various owners of the sets.

A partial early review from the Digitalbits website says there is too much DNR on 1, 3-6 when viewed on very large sophisticated screens.

So the average person with a 46' HDTV like myself shouldn't have a problem.

TWOK looks fantastic to me. TSFS looks great and TVH slightly soft. But they all look far better then I expected after hearing all the amatuer 'experts'.

Far, far better than the current DVDs.

Now if they'll get around to doing the Director's versions---I'll be completely happy.
 
Oh yeah and deleted scenes............

They just announced the 'Towering Inferno' Blu-ray would have 32 thirty-two extended and deleted scenes including an alternate ending!!!

It was released in 1977.
 
I was considering getting TWOK on Blu-ray as it's my favourite film, and to see what sort of a job Paramount had done. But the DNR and colour correcting looks horrible. The picture is far too soft, and the blue tinge is even noticeable on Shatner's face.

As my Director's cut DVD looks fine upscaled at 1080i, I'll stick with that.

Might have known Paramount would do a piss poor job with this release.
 
Actually I got the trilogy pack for a steal at best buy by returning some old unopened standard DVDs and TWOK looks really good. TSFS also looks good on my 46 inch screen.

The blueish tinge may be the way the person who submitted the screencap TV was set (or perhaps in some of the monitors people are viewing the screencap on.). It doesn't look that blue on my set.

I bought the set even though it didn't have the Director's cut of TWOK because i figured that 3 & 4 don't have director's editions so i'd only have to replace TWOK at a later time.
and I'd pick up the Director's cut of 1 & 6 at a later time also.

The partial review of TWOK on blu-ray at the digitalbits.com raved about the restoration and he was watching it on a huge screen.

Their full review of the 6 movies is due sometime today and i'd trust their opinion because he already admitted the picture on 4 & 6 weren't up to par.

But even TVH looked good on my screen and waaay over my standard DVD version.

If i can get 1,2 & 6 in Director's cuts on Blu-ray i'll be happy to keep my copies of this blu-ray release of 3 & 4.

I'll only buy TFF if they sometime in the future do an overhaul of the FX.
A lot of fans who have seen TFF on Blu-ray have said the FX look far worse in Blu-ray than they did on regular DVD.
 
They look OK to me, except for that shot of Spock at the TUC briefing. It really doesn't seem fair to pick out every single canyon and wrinkle on Nimoy's old, melting face.
 
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