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Mythbusters 11/4: Bulletproof/Coffin punch

Christopher

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Bulletproof:

*Badges: I think the difference may not be the material so much as where they were hit. I would've liked to see a more standardized test where they used a stabilized, laser-aimed rig to hit the badge dead center each time.

*Pizza: All I have to say is, what a waste of pizza. (Although I don't like pepperoni.)

*Fat/muscle: Ewww, the lard was disgusting. I'm not sure I accept their conclusion that if the slowest bullets penetrated, every bullet would. We know from past episodes that faster rounds shatter when they hit an air/water interface or an air/ballistics gel interface, and animal tissue is mostly water. They should've tested faster rounds.

*Non-Newtonian cornstarch mix: Interesting idea, but unsurprising result. It may behave like a solid under sharp force, but just being solid doesn't make something bulletproof.

*Ultra-crushed aluminum cans: Clever idea, and surprisingly effective.

*Ceramic tiles: Again, surprisingly effective, at least against the less powerful rounds. These are definitely "don't try this at home" things, though. And something cement-based is probably too heavy to make good armor.


Coffin punch: I love manga Kari! She's adorable! Real Kari in the yellow track suit isn't bad either.

Oh, there's a myth involved? Oh yeah. I wonder if the results would be different if the fist could punch in different locations, or wedge fingers into the crack.

Still, not at all surprised by the results. Of course you couldn't dig out from under that.

Also, realistically, there's no way Uma Thurman could generate as much force with a three-inch punch as that big muscular guy. However well-trained her character may have been, she just didn't have the mass or musculature to equal that. So they were really going beyond the conditions of the myth there.
 
Also, realistically, there's no way Uma Thurman could generate as much force with a three-inch punch as that big muscular guy. However well-trained her character may have been, she just didn't have the mass or musculature to equal that. So they were really going beyond the conditions of the myth there.

Wasn't it a couple weeks ago in the second Ninja episode that they showed ninjas are trained in how to do a devestating short-range jab?

The various results this week didn't surprise me any either. I, too, thought a more "dead-on" aim with the badges would've gotten dfferent results.
 
Wasn't it a couple weeks ago in the second Ninja episode that they showed ninjas are trained in how to do a devestating short-range jab?

Yes, the guy they had on there demonstrated a one inch punch but said that a three inch punch would be far more effective.
 
*Ceramic tiles: Again, surprisingly effective, at least against the less powerful rounds. These are definitely "don't try this at home" things, though. And something cement-based is probably too heavy to make good armor.

Its not that surprising, ceramic armor is very effective. Close cousins of those tiles are used on everything to bullet proof vests where they can stop a rifle round to main battle tanks.
 
*Ceramic tiles: Again, surprisingly effective, at least against the less powerful rounds. These are definitely "don't try this at home" things, though. And something cement-based is probably too heavy to make good armor.

Its not that surprising, ceramic armor is very effective. Close cousins of those tiles are used on everything to bullet proof vests where they can stop a rifle round to main battle tanks.

Not surprising to me - on Stargate SG-1 they used ceramic armour to protect against fire from Jaffa staff weapons. :bolian:
 
Wasn't it a couple weeks ago in the second Ninja episode that they showed ninjas are trained in how to do a devestating short-range jab?

Well, yes, exactly, that's my point. The guy they got was trained in the same techniques that Thurman's character presumably was, so assuming they were equally expert, that cancels out -- but the difference in raw bulk and muscle mass remains. I'm a big believer in female equality (even superiority in some ways), but it's a physiological fact that men have more upper-body muscle, and it's obvious just from looking that that guy's arm was a whole lot more muscular than Ms. Thurman's. Thurman's ninja character might well have had an advantage over this guy in terms of flexibility, agility, and speed, but where this specific type of move, one based solely on brute strength, is concerned, he has the advantage.


*Ceramic tiles: Again, surprisingly effective, at least against the less powerful rounds. These are definitely "don't try this at home" things, though. And something cement-based is probably too heavy to make good armor.

Its not that surprising, ceramic armor is very effective. Close cousins of those tiles are used on everything to bullet proof vests where they can stop a rifle round to main battle tanks.

Which is no doubt where Jamie got the idea. But it was surprising because presumably not all ceramics are identical; one wouldn't think that bathroom tile would be formulated to be as strong as ceramic body armor.
 
Actually, that's an idea for a myth.

When Kill Bill came out there was a lot of talk about whether or not her sword would have broken during the fight with the Crazy 88.
 
I enjoyed this weeks episode, but I think if the Bride can defy gravity, pluck eyeballs, beat 100 other swordsmen and perform the 5-point palm exploding heart move, she won't have any problems getting out of a coffin buried under 6 feet of dirt.
 
^^Well, the Mythbusters don't tackle the obvious impossibilities, just the tricks that are a) grounded enough that it seems they might be plausible and b) practically able to be replicated and tested on the show. Besides, the idea of someone digging one's way out of a grave is hardly unique to Kill Bill; it was seen often in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, for instance (although most of those who did it were vampires, thus superstrong and not needing to breathe, the main exception being Buffy herself, who did need to breathe but had the superstrength).
 
Imo it was pretty clear that it's impossible for a human to dig yourself out of a grave - and dangerous to test too, I think they were rightly very concerned about Tory's safety...
 
Was I the only one who wanted them to shoot at the badges from further away after the initial round of shots fired? Perhaps the officer who survived wasn't shot at that close range.
 
^^Well, the Mythbusters don't tackle the obvious impossibilities, just the tricks that are a) grounded enough that it seems they might be plausible and b) practically able to be replicated and tested on the show. Besides, the idea of someone digging one's way out of a grave is hardly unique to Kill Bill; it was seen often in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, for instance (although most of those who did it were vampires, thus superstrong and not needing to breathe, the main exception being Buffy herself, who did need to breathe but had the superstrength).

Personally, I'm getting a bit tired of them "busting" movie "myths."

There's few cases where it might be necessary to put them to the test to demonstrate how much Hollywood exagerates physics and explosions and such. But testing stuff like this seems... silly.
 
^^It's not about what's necessary, except in terms of the necessity to generate enough material to keep producing episodes of a popular show.

Anyway, movies are an endless font of disinformation, and I'm glad to have a show around that encourages people to be skeptical of what they see on the silver screen.
 
Was I the only one who wanted them to shoot at the badges from further away after the initial round of shots fired? Perhaps the officer who survived wasn't shot at that close range.

No I wanted them to try a few variations, distance and angle.
 
^^^
I would have liked to see what kind of injury it causes to get shot like that even if the bullet doesn't penetrate your body thanks to the badge - I imagine it would be quite unpleasant to say the least, the way the badge was bent in the middle...
 
^^^
I would have liked to see what kind of injury it causes to get shot like that even if the bullet doesn't penetrate your body thanks to the badge - I imagine it would be quite unpleasant to say the least, the way the badge was bent in the middle...

Yeah, that looked like it would still mess you up.
 
^^Well, yes, even bulletproof vests can still leave a shooting victim with heavy bruising, broken ribs, etc. The issue is whether something prevents death, not whether it prevents all injury.
 
^^Well, yes, even bulletproof vests can still leave a shooting victim with heavy bruising, broken ribs, etc. The issue is whether something prevents death, not whether it prevents all injury.

If I've learned anything from TVs and movies getting shot with a BP-vest knocks you out for one round and when you're back you only get a standard action.


Trekker, d20 too apparently.
 
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