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MYTHBUSTERS 11/30: Season finale

Christopher

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This was the finale, right? I remember hearing that...

Lethal Weapon toilet bomb: Okay, not the most savory of subjects, but they covered it pretty well. In some ways it was surprisingly realistic, in others not so much. Sitting in, err, that position for as long as was shown would be unsafe (and wouldn't he get pretty dehydrated going without food or drink for 12 hours?), so that part went on implausibly long, perhaps the one truly busted part of the myth. And the liquid nitrogen would evidently have prevented the detonation altogether, at least until it thawed, so the film was greatly understating the effectiveness of that technique.

By the way, the use of liquid nitrogen for neutralizing bombs has been around in the media for a long time. It was used in the 1969 Mission: Impossible episode "Live Bait," for example. So given that it actually worked here, maybe it's been a tried and true technique for decades.

I think what impressed me the most was how good a job the cast-iron bathtub and bomb blanket did at protecting Buster. I'm wondering what's in a bomb blanket. (Google-Google-Google) Okay, apparently they're made of Kevlar and "ballistic fibers," and seem to be mainly for containing shrapnel, but apparently have some ability to redirect or absorb a shock wave as well.

http://www.global-security-solutions.com/BombSuppressionBlanket.html
http://www.bulldogdirect.com/bomb-protection

As someone who writes action scenes from time to time, I find it useful to know that you can survive a bomb blast if you're in a sturdy enough enclosure. As long as it isn't superheated by a nuclear explosion or tossed miles through the air like the fridge in Indiana Jones 4.

Like Jamie, I've never actually seen the Lethal Weapon movies, but I'm aware of some of the memes they generated. So I was kind of wondering if Jamie was going to say something about getting too old for this, err, stuff.


Flying in V formation: I found the idea of this interesting, but the testing was kind of routine. It was cool to discover just how far back a plane's vortices and turbulence can stretch -- miles for a jetliner. Which is no doubt why airports don't have planes take off in too quick succession from the same runway -- they want to give the wakes time to settle down.

I'd say it doesn't seem like a practical technique for commercial aircraft; they'd have to stay far enough apart that it would be difficult to maintain the formation and gain fuel efficiency. But it seems like something that could work for groups of fighter jets or something. In fact, isn't it sometimes done already in those contexts?

I was wondering if the struggle to stay in the wake in the "conga line" position would actually expend more fuel due to all the adjustments. It seemed it kinda did for at least the rearmost test plane. I remember a similar principle from a car myth they did once, though I forget which one -- that something that was supposed to increase fuel efficiency required so much starting and stopping and speed variation that it burned more fuel overall.

Some of the flight tests looked pretty dangerous. I know they went with expert stunt pilots, but still, it seemed like a risky position for the Mythbusters to be placed in. Although it seems they made sure to keep Kari in the safest position, the lead plane. Maybe because she's a mother and has a child depending on her, they're more reluctant to put her in danger than Tory or Grant?
 
Lethal Weapon bomb myth:

This was cool to watch them test as it's probably one of the more classic action-movie scenes from the 80s. I was surprised to see how realistic the scene apparently was. On the front of the length of time sitting on the can, I don't recall how long it was said to be in the movie (I'm guessing the Mythbusters were quoting it at 12-some hours) but even as a kid I knew that sounded ridiculously long. But Jamie sitting on the toilet for an hour so probably would numb his legs or put them asleep enough to the point where it'd be the same as several hours. Once your legs are numb and "asleep" they're not going to get "more asleep" after more time.

I'm not a doctor but I think their expert was being a bit conservative on things regarding the dangers of Jamie's legs falling asleep/numbing over the course of a few hours. I know that clots and such are big dangers for patients in hospitals, paraplegics and such but, I dunno. But I don't think much was lost in shortening the length of time Jamie sat there.

It was very surprising to see that freezing the C4 and battery actually worked and worked better than it did in the movie!

But, as was pointed out in the Aftershow, the myth would be busted on the fact that the bomb would have destroyed Murtaugh's home more than it did in the movie and the toilet would not have survived the explosion (again as it does in the movie) but good to see it worked. (I do wonder if the hearing loss chances would be further reduced by covering your ears -in the movie I don't believe they had noise-canceling/protective headsets.)

The V-Formation myth I've not got a lot to say on. Like drafting a semi trailer it seems like it "works" but it's not safe or practical, compounded by doing with airplanes. It would have been interesting to see instrumentation on all of the planes' data points for the various formations.

I do have to quibble that fuel usage on planes is a lot more complex than it is with cars. Wind speed and direction, atmospheric pressure, temperature, the amount of fuel (and thus weight), speed isn't going to be entirely consistent, the planes' altitude isn't going to 100% consistent there's probably countless variables in this that could really skew the numbers.

I don't completely doubt their data points but just that there's a lot more variables at play here than the formation they were flying in. Unlike a car on the ground during a certain time of day, a plane's status is impacted by pretty much every single thing going on around and in it.

Some of the flight tests looked pretty dangerous. I know they went with expert stunt pilots, but still, it seemed like a risky position for the Mythbusters to be placed in. Although it seems they made sure to keep Kari in the safest position, the lead plane. Maybe because she's a mother and has a child depending on her, they're more reluctant to put her in danger than Tory or Grant?

Well the nerd and the slap-stick comic relief guy you can replace. The hot red-haired woman whom fans adore to the end of the earth? A bit harder. ;)
 
Regarding the V-formation thing: I don't think it's a good idea for civilian planes, because of the dangers involved and simple logistics, but aren't military planes doing that? Especially in WWII for example, where range was a real issue, they always flew very close together. I have to assume fuel efficiency had something to do with that.
 
I don't think they worried about fuel efficiency in WWII beyond having big enough tanks to reach the target and get home, but most formations were designed around mutual defense. Early in the war, fighter formations were intentionally tight, like the finger-4 or the British Vic. But it was quickly learned that the pilots spent more time paying attention staying in formation and not hitting the other planes than watching for the enemy. This resulted in a lot of unsuspecting Tail-End Charlies getting shot down, and everyone adopting much wider formations where everyone was free to look around. Conversely, bomber formations got tighter, not for anything to do with fuel, but so each B-17's guns overlapped the next B-17's guns for mutual defense.
 
Oh, and - why did they let Kari butcher an expensive Bf-109B model? That looked like the Classic Airframes kit, which costs a bundle. And she put the wings on upside down!!!
 
I didn't mean for environmental concerns, but the size of the tanks is directly related to how much weight a plane can carry, and obviously they wanted to use as much of that capacity as possible for bombs. But if you say those formations had nothing to do with fuel efficiency I believe you since you seem to know what you're talking about. ;)
 
Oh, I didn't mean environmental concerns either, I'm just not sure anyone had noticed the bird/slipstream connection at that point. I think they tried to stay OUT of each other's wake turbulence in formation back then. I may be completely wrong, of course, and sadly, my research source (my Dad) isn't around to ask any more.
 
Yeah, there's not a whole lot to discuss with this episode, although it was cool seeing them test another action movie myth. I know some people object to those even being considered "myths," but they're still fun to watch.

It does bug me though when they can't show the actual movie footage though. Are the movie studios really that stingy, or is Discovery just really super cheap? Or is there a residuals problem when you have a big name like Mel Gibson involved?
 
Yeah, movie footage with Gibson & Glover in it might be pretty darn expensive to license. I also wonder if maybe it shows a bit more skin than is appropriate on a family show (I'm surprised they didn't bleep Adam saying "ass" in the intro).
 
It does bug me though when they can't show the actual movie footage though. Are the movie studios really that stingy, or is Discovery just really super cheap? Or is there a residuals problem when you have a big name like Mel Gibson involved?

it's probably more a case of keeping the costs down on what's probably a reasonable expensive show to produce - 2 build teams, two film teams, lots of location work, stuff to buy that's only used one, insurance etc etc so if they can save a few bucks on not paying licences for movie clips they would.

And the licences wouldn't be cheap. It's a cable show so in Canada, the U.S and Australia at least programs are shown multiple times a week and if fees had to be paid each time it was shown they'd soon add up to a horrendous number.

Plus the studio has to willing to sell them a licence to use the clip in the first place.
 
Yeah, movie footage with Gibson & Glover in it might be pretty darn expensive to license. I also wonder if maybe it shows a bit more skin than is appropriate on a family show (I'm surprised they didn't bleep Adam saying "ass" in the intro).

Yeah, I figured that it was a cost thing. However, that's not always a bad thing. In the "Gorn cannon" episode, the recreation of Arena was far more entertaining than old footage from the episode that we've all seen a thousand times would've been.
 
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