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Mythbusters 11/12: Idioms

Christopher

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I've enjoyed their idiom tests in the past for the sheer silliness of testing whether a rolling stone gathered moss or you could shoot fish in a barrel. This one was less effective, though. I think they're running out of good ideas.

Polishing, uhh, dung: Eww. Not much I care to say about this one. The results were surprising, though. It actually worked. I'm just glad I didn't have to do it. My hands would never feel clean again.

In the dispute between Adam and Jamie, I think Adam was right about the intent behind the saying. Although maybe Jamie had a point, in that the goal is just to make something bad look good, by whatever means.

The Japanese dirt-polishing technique was fascinating, but not too surprising when you think about it. It's kind of like unbaked ceramics.

Hit the ground running: I guess I can understand the actual running results. With the drop from a static start, you have a reference for the environment around you so you can evaluate where the ground is. And moving your legs first would at least loosen your muscles, like a warmup. As for the moving start, that's more disorienting so you're more likely to stumble.

On the bike, I was expecting it to fail after I thought about it a bit, but for the wrong reason. I was thinking of the Knight Rider drive-into-a-truck myth, where they were concerned that the car would shoot forward once it hit the ramp but it didn't because it still had its inertia. I figured the bike's inertia would be the same regardless of whether the wheel was spinning or not, so it would take as much time to accelerate either way. I didn't consider that the friction would be the decisive factor. I guess that when the tire hits, it deforms enough that a lot of it is in contact with the ground, totally locking it up with friction. I wonder, how do stunt cyclists deal with that, though? Maybe by landing with the front wheel first?

Now, the car test was where my expectation was borne out. The acceleration time was almost identical, since either way you still need to overcome the same amount of momentum. The "hit the ground" time was a little longer, though, because there was an initial skid as the tires were still coming down and bouncing and struggling for traction. So kind of the opposite of the friction effect with the bike, interestingly enough.

End with a bang: Totally pointless. You can't prove or disprove a matter of opinion. Besides, half the episodes of this series confirm that the show's producers believe it's better to end with a bang. This was just the latest excuse for gratuitous pyrotechnics. The thermite demonstration was pretty interesting, though.
 
Watching it now.

I'm humored by their use of terminology on their terms for "polishing a turd."

Being a cable station they're not under any restrictions by the FCC on what they can and cannot say. So the restrictions by the network was just their own self-regulating anal-retentiveness.

The "replacement words" were just as bad as the word they couldn't say. "Scat" is probably the most clinical and what they should've gone with. But can't say turd? :rolleyes:
 
Being a cable station they're not under any restrictions by the FCC on what they can and cannot say. So the restrictions by the network was just their own self-regulating anal-retentiveness.

First off, I'm pretty sure that's not true for basic cable. On HBO or Showtime they can use whatever language they want, but on the Discovery Channel, they're as constrained as any broadcast network. Second, federal regulations aside, the simple fact is that it's a show that teachers show children in classrooms. So it would be pretty irresponsible for them not to keep the content reasonably clean. (Insofar as "clean" is an applicable word in this context.)
 
Cable Networks, all of them, are self-regulating they are under no obligation other than their own to regulate content. Discovery can show the exact same content Showtime does, it just elects not to. Ineed it's a show for families and such, but I think censoring/restricting the word "turd" is silly when the subject matter in the show repeatedly (interestingly, though, not human feces) shows the "product" of the word. ;)

I just think it's interesting and silly. Anyway, it was an interesting show the results on polishing the (insert fecal word of your selection here) had fascinating results. I agree with Adam on his point of contention with Jamie on Jamie using rubbing compounds to "polish" the compacted waste product of a mammal. He wasn't "polishing" them so much as he was "adding polish" to them.

The "hitting the ground running" bit wasn't surprising. Elementary physics should tell one that in the air the moving-item has far less friction to over-come than when it hits the ground when the friction of the wheels/feet whatever goes up dramaticly. Now it has to overcome that new obsticle and heave its own mass forward.

Interesting testing on it though and I never get tired of seeing Tori face-plant while trying to jump the bike. :lol:

The thermite exercise was interesting, but again, not surprising. If he wanted to use a reaction to cut the car half I'd think an Oxy-acetylene line across the top of the car would do a better job of it. Effectively it'd be like cutting the car in half with a blow-torch.

I also rolled by eyes on the removing of the tires from the car.

Yeah they pollute, but... :rolleyes: I don't think the enviroment is going to care about four tires burning especially when you're dumping God knows what into the air when you set off the thermite and burn the car (along with plastics and other materials inside of it). Of course, it could be a local regulation (and knowing California/SanFran it may well be) to not burn tires, that's something else.

But, sheesh.

:rolleyes:
 
^ As someone who has had the unfortunate experience of watching his car go up in flames on the shoulder of the freeway it is pretty noxious when the tires melt to the ground.
 
The more they go on as a show I think its showing that they are not even trying to be actually scientific. When it comes to the hit the ground running part. I mean C'mon. Can you call a 3 run test a true average. I would think they could ATLEAST do a minimum of 10 tries. They dont have to show them all on the show. But to try something 3 times. And then even include the numbers they got when Grant stumbles rolls and gets up and finishes totally distroys any scientific credibility they had left.
I guess people watch the show to see Adam and Jamie and Grant,Torry, and Red Tits act like dumbasses and not for any real science...:evil:
 
The more they go on as a show I think its showing that they are not even trying to be actually scientific. When it comes to the hit the ground running part. I mean C'mon. Can you call a 3 run test a true average. I would think they could ATLEAST do a minimum of 10 tries. They dont have to show them all on the show. But to try something 3 times. And then even include the numbers they got when Grant stumbles rolls and gets up and finishes totally distroys any scientific credibility they had left.
I guess people watch the show to see Adam and Jamie and Grant,Torry, and Red Tits act like dumbasses and not for any real science...:evil:

"Red Tits" ? Did you just speak ill of the Kari ? :klingon:
 
Oh no...Thats my affectionate nickname for her. I call her that cause thats about all she contributes to the show. Her flaming red hair and her big titties...
oh red tits...
 
What are you talking about? She fabricates builds for the show all the time, at least as much as Tory.

Only Grant contributes more, because of his robotics background.
 
Tory is sort of the stuntman of the show.
But I think in reality we don't know who builds what, I'm sure they have lots of guys working for them in the background who you never see.
 
That may happen sometimes, but things like the time-lapse shots of Kari knotting together ropes of hair, etc. are hard to fake.
 
9 times out of 10 Kari (RT's) always backs out of whatever test or performance is needed and nominates usually Tory or Grant. Usually Tory and does her flirty smile like...Im a grl...Ill just stand over here with a stopwatch cus Im a grl. Not always...But most of the time. She just stands around with her styled and highlighted hair and wears tight shirts to show off her boobs. Dont get me wrong. I like that. But when it comes to participating she pulls the...Im a grl routine too often. Therefor she gets the Red Tits name...:bolian:
 
^^That's rude and sexist. Kari contributes a lot. She's a skilled artist and builder and a very good TV host. Looking at the Build Team in character terms, she's the witty but levelheaded one who balances Tory's impulsiveness and Grant's geekiness. And she's pulled her weight in many myths. But you'll never be able to see that because you're too shallow to look past her surface.
 
As a new fan of the show, I've been watching a lot of episodes lately. Suggesting that Kari (and Scottie and Christine before her) doesn't contribute is ridiculous. I've seen Kari do a lot of hard, unpleasant work that is well outside of her job description.

Yes, Grant does a lot of specialist jobs but that's because he's the one who knows how to do them. He was hired for that purpose.

Tori puts himself in harms way through choice and very often not while Jamie is around to tell him not to do it.
 
Tory is sort of the stuntman of the show.

I think that's being generous. ;) He's more like a Curly. ;)

Demeaning Kari down to "red tits" is insulting to her. Given her skills as a sculptor and other contributions she has made. A talented, smart, woman who happens to be good-looking. "Red tits."

:rolleyes:

I think we should drop this topic and move on to the episode itself.

Continuing along this topic is like, well, polishing a turd.

;)
 
Yes, Grant does a lot of specialist jobs but that's because he's the one who knows how to do them. He was hired for that purpose.

If anything, Grant's become something of a caricature of himself by this point. Practically every week, he's saying "Let's build a robot to do it!" And they usually aren't actual "robots" by any definition, just remote-controlled or remote-triggered machines. (A few weeks ago he even used "robot" to describe a build that turned out to be just an air cannon. That was stretching the definition past the breaking point.)
 
Yes, Grant does a lot of specialist jobs but that's because he's the one who knows how to do them. He was hired for that purpose.

If anything, Grant's become something of a caricature of himself by this point. Practically every week, he's saying "Let's build a robot to do it!" And they usually aren't actual "robots" by any definition, just remote-controlled or remote-triggered machines. (A few weeks ago he even used "robot" to describe a build that turned out to be just an air cannon. That was stretching the definition past the breaking point.)

We can't describe these people as if they are scripted characters in a sitcom. Grant and Tori aren't Joey and Chandler.

To be fair to Grant, there are often occasions where he's pulled in on myths that Adam and Jamie are working on rather than the build team because he knows how to do something neither of them do.

What I do notice with him, however, is when the big cool explosions happen, he often seems to be very visibly faking his excitement. I'm not sure he enjoys the blowing stuff up part as much as Kari and Tori do.
 
We can't describe these people as if they are scripted characters in a sitcom. Grant and Tori aren't Joey and Chandler.

Well, no, but we can't assume that what we're seeing is entirely true-to-life either. They may not be playing other people, but they're cast members on a popular show and they have producers and directors and executives giving them notes. I'm sure that if the audience responds to something a cast member does, the folks making the show encourage the cast member to do more of the same (or to stop doing it if the response is negative). So the cast members may well develop onscreen personas that are somewhat artificial, that are simplified and perhaps caricatured versions of what they're really like.
 
I wouldn't go that far, but I suspect Adam deliberately plays up his zany side for the cameras, at least a bit.
 
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