Mirror Universe Voyager.

[T'Girl]

Of the five live action series, three have had adventures in the mirror universe, DS9 went there a few times. But Voyager never did. Or did they?

In TOS and DS9 people from our universe traveled to a alternate universe and interacted with the "evil" counter parts of people who for the most part existed here. In ENT the people from our universe who traveled to the mirror universe were already dead (Defiant's crew).

Voyager's mirror universe episode could be Living Witness. In the third-first century, Seven hundred years after the event shown in Voyager, the prime universe Doctor is activated in the mirror universe. In the episode Mirror Mirror, both the Prime and Mirror universe's Halkan Council were engaged in negotiations for their dilithium. In Living Witness, the prime Vaskans were negotiating to exchange their dilithium for some of Voyager's medical suppies, at the same time the mirror Vaskans were negotiating to exchanging their knowledge of a cyclic wormhole for the services of the Warship Voyager in fighting their conflict with the Kyrians.

The Kyians and the Vaskans very obviously share a world.

In the prime universe the negotiations are interrupted be a attack by the Kyian who use the negotiations to start a war, in tne mirror the Warship Voyager attacks the Kyians with thirty torpedo tubes, twenty five phaser banks and EMH designed biological weapons.

Duing the attack the prime Voyager loses it's back-up EMH memory module and various pieces of equipment. The mirror Voyage also loses some equipment, including a ship's schematic that is found in the Cyrik ocean.

Somehow all the lost equipment from both ships winds up in the mirror universe, where over the centuries it is found by archaeologists and collected in the Kyrian Museum of Heritage.

After the Doctor's reactivation he relate the events from the prime universe which in no way jib with the (actual) history of the mirror universe. He does manage to achieve a degree of peace between the victorious Vaskans and the subjugated Kyians. He even goes on the become the planet's surgical chancellor for many years. Eventual he desires to journey to the third-first centuries mirror alpha quadrant. I wonder what he found?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I think it dilutes the whole point of "Living Witness" if the Kyrians' concept of Voyager turned out to be true. The whole point is that the ship WASN'T a warship, the crew were friendly and not conquerors or terrorists; it just got distorted over the course of 700 years. That's the tragedy.

If this episode did happen in an MU (not "the" MU - in the canon MU, there is no more Terran Empire, and thus no Starfleet by the time VOY takes place, so there can't be a mirror Voyager), maybe it was the other way around - the 'evil' crew show up and act like conquerors, but over the centuries they are painted as benevolent and kind and hailed as heroes.

Besides, the Doctor as seen in this episode obviously is not from an MU anyway. And the Kyrians, at the end, are not subjugated; they and the Vaskans live in peace.

 

[T'Girl]

Besides, the Doctor as seen in this episode obviously is not from an MU anyway.

The Doctor and the back-up EMH module came from the prime universe.

 

[Klingon Empire]

That whole episode was about Chinese Whispers.

 

[Damask]

Mirror Tuvok was in a mirror epiosde of DS9 anyway. But Living Witness was a fantastic episode and prob the best way to do a Mirror style episode.

 

[Marten]

It would certainly destroy the point of the story if it turned out to be a mirror universe.

 

[StarryEyed]

Of the five live action series, three have had adventures in the mirror universe, DS9 went there a few times. But Voyager never did.

Thank goodness!

 

[AuntKate]

I remember suggesting here once long ago that a mirror universe Voyager might be interesting, but I was told, in no uncertain terms, that the mirror universe involved DS9 and nobody else. Since Voyager was out in the DQ, they just couldn't be part of it. I'm wondering if there is just one mirror universe or if there could be more than one?

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

I would think, in theory, there are multiple universes because each universe would be its own dimension. Since I uphold the idea of multiple dimensions, the idea of more than one 'mirror' universe seems like a valid notion to me.

 

[BenRoethig]

The two that didn't (TNG and VOY) really wouldn't have had outlets within the storyline. They could have had characters (and they did with tuvok) involved but the Enterprise-D and Voyager would not have been built because the terran empire had fallen.

 

[USS Excelsior]

But in a different Mirror Universe the Terran Empire wouldn't have fallen, and probably exist there, and who knows what would have happened in the NuMirror Universe.

 

[Udat]

I disliked all the mirror universe episodes in DS9 and TNG.

 

[brcarthey]

I would think, in theory, there are multiple universes because each universe would be its own dimension. Since I uphold the idea of multiple dimensions, the idea of more than one 'mirror' universe seems like a valid notion to me.

i agree with you about multiverses but since the general population is ignorant to that theory, if they would've seen VOY in a mirror universe episode it might have confused them if they'd have also seen the DS9 mirror universe episodes.

i know that TNG explored the multiverse concept twice ("parallels" and some other episode where you see a thousand different ent-d's before a temporal fissure is closed), but by the time VOY would've gotten around to doing one DS9 had already established that there was only one mirror universe that the writers felt like exploring.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

I thought the idea of a multi-verse was rather common in real life? I must be more of a sci-fi nerd than I thought...

 

[DevilEyes]

I thought the idea of a multi-verse was rather common in real life? I must be more of a sci-fi nerd than I thought...

It was even explored in season 3 premiere of Six Feet Under, and that was not a SF show.

"Mirror Universe" is just an alternate universe. (The name only comes from the title of the TOS episode, and it's metaphorical. It's not like it's a literal "mirror" - that would be pure Fantasy, not SF. And it never worked as literal "mirror", as many characters were very similar to what they were lik in the PU.) There is absolutely nothing to suggest that it is the only alternate universe. Why would it be? And in fact, we know it's not - in canon, we've seen a bunch of alternate universes in TNG "Parallels" and STXI introduced another alternate universe (unlike most, we know the point of divergence for that one). Trek literature - novels, stories and comics - have explored the concept, introducing a bunch of other alternate universes (there's even a series of books called "Myriad Universes" based on the concept).

It is therefore also possible for various alternate universes to have diverged from the "Mirror Universe" that forms the main continuity of canon and non-canon Trek fiction. There can be another universe where the Terran Empire never fell. As noted by previous posters, Voyager could not exist in the 24th century of the main Mirror Universe as seen on DS9, since there would be no Starfleet and the Human and Vulcan characters would be slaves, if they even existed and had survived to that point (and B'Elanna probably wouldn't be born); but in another universe in which the Terran Empire still existed, there could be a Voyager similar to the one we saw in "Living Witness" faulty historical recreation. (But B'Elanna probably wouldn't exist there either, or you'd have to come up with a convoluted explanation how her mother and father got to conceive her - unless the Terran and the Klingon Empire were allies in that universe's 24th century).

I disliked all the mirror universe episodes in DS9 and TNG.

You disliked episodes that did not exist?

 

[Udat]

Oops *Smile and wave.*

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

There are many different universes in Trek, some are just more easily accessed from the Prime Universe than others...somehow they are 'closer'. Just like our universe has galaxies, the multiverse has universes and some are closer to each other. At least that's my theory.
Like DevilEyes said ^^ the MU isn't a perfect 'mirror' as the MU characters aren't completely polar opposites, they're just more...rough around the edges for the most part and some, like Quark or O'Brien are quite similar. Granted, some are just pure evil, scheming, manipulative, conniving, selfish...but it's not a perfect mirror.
And if there are many 'Prime-like' universes, there are probably many 'Mirror-like' universes.

 

[I am not Spock]

The two shows that didn't have official MU stories, of course, did have eps playing with other realities. TNG's Yesterday's Enterprise, and Parallels; and VOYs Living Witness. Thery're the closest we'll get to seeing evil versions of these characters. Well, the universe seen in Yesterdays Enterprise wasn't really evil, just more militaristic.

I suspect there are many Prime like universes, and many Mirror like ones. We've seen some universes very close to the Prime one in TNGs Parallels, for example, with only minor differences. The NuTrek universe in Abrams film fits in this category, too. Visually, people and ships, etc look quite different, but its still more similar to the Prime than to the Mirror.

 

[sevenstars]

Thank goodness, no mirror universes in Voyager. Once was entertaining (TOS) and once was enough. I thought the mirror universe episodes in DS9 were just throwaways, indicative of laziness.

The alternate reality episodes are often very interesting, but I think they need to be done with a great deal of care and with a focus on a specific situation. I liked the ones in TNG; the Voyager ones also (like the one where the ship duplicates itself). I find those quite different from the cartoony mirror universe episodes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

the ds9 mirror universe stories told a story from on to the next that depicted the rise and fall of empires and the graduation of some characters and the ruination of others meanwhile revealing a dark counterbalance to the more familiar universe, to call them throwaway episodes is really only proving that your imagination needs a little more exercise.

5 or 6 episodes that told a continuing story spaced out across 7 years? Voyager never even managed to tell a continuing story spaced out across 6 weeks,