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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Nerys Myk said:
Marvel rule #1: Make it personal. Taskmaster being the girl Nat thought she killed does this. Nat is the reason Antonia is a disfigured assassin controlled by Dreykov.
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I would have changed it where Taskmaster is her daughter. What if they were taking these women's ovaries and creating women agents for the Black Widow program and the mom made a exception with Nat and instead used her ovaries to create Taskmaster. Maybe she is also part Super Solider which gives her the powers she has. From what I have heard that in the comics the Black Widows were not just regular women brainwashed and trained but also Super Soliders like Cap.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
That ridiculous story first appeared in a Silver Age issue of Adventure Comics (#271 from April of 1960), which was a nonsensical motive for Luthor's appearance and hatred even for the period of its publication.
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I read this first in one of the DC Digests from the 70s and 80s--probably still have it.
 
Jayson1 said:
I would have changed it where Taskmaster is her daughter. What if they were taking these women's ovaries and creating women agents for the Black Widow program and the mom made an exception with Nat and instead used her ovaries to create Taskmaster. Maybe she is also part Super Solider which gives her the powers she has. From what I have heard that in the comics the Black Widows were not just regular women brainwashed and trained but also Super Soliders like Cap.
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Ovaries???? What they got them hooked up to machine and pumping out eggs to be fertilized?????
Far as I recall the Red Room makes women into Black Widows just like The Black Widow.
 
Nerys Myk said:
Ovaries???? What they got them hooked up to machine and pumping out eggs to be fertilized?????
Far as I recall the Red Room makes women into Black Widows just like The Black Widow.
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More like they do both things. The idea is they want to control them but also be able to alter them with the Super Solider Serum. It makes sense to me governments would be all in creating the perfect Super Soldier after the success of Captain America.
 
I know that writer Elliot Maggin (SP?) tried to give him some self-rationalization of "Well, of course I could cure my baldness...I just don't because I don't WANT to let go my hatred and if I stay bald I'll always have a reminder".

Of course even the writers thought Luthor's origin was dumb so they had that later plotline where he was the savior of this alien world that worshiped him and he was happy there till some scheme of his backfired and destroyed the world and his worshipers and a woman he fell in love with and married there.

Naturally, he blamed Superman for this and became even more deranged than usual. At least now his madness made some sense in that he lost a lot more than his hair.
 
Jayson1 said:
More like they do both things. The idea is they want to control them but also be able to alter them with the Super Solider Serum. It makes sense to me governments would be all in creating the perfect Super Soldier after the success of Captain America.
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Well yeah. We know the Soviets have a Super Soldier Program. It created the Red Guardian and the other Winter Soldiers. They didn't need to "harvest" ovaries for that. The Black Widows were sterilized for a different reason.
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Yeah.....that made so much sense. This is the same guy who created things arguably a century ahead of the world, yet that baldness thing was a head-scratcher! Sheesh....the Silver Age at its finest.
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And as mentioned, the super genius Victor von Doom can't figure out a way to fix his face. Super villains gonna super villain.
 
Nerys Myk said:
And as mentioned, the super genius Victor von Doom can't figure out a way to fix his face. Super villains gonna super villain.
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But it has been shown in the past that Doom can fix his face, for whatever reason, it always reverts back to his scarred visage.

Maybe it is something subconscious where the scars remind him that Reed was right in his calculations and that Doom should have listened when Reed said the formula was wrong.​
 
DarrenTR1970 said:
But it has been shown in the past that Doom can fix his face, for whatever reason, it always reverts back to his scarred visage.

Maybe it is something subconscious where the scars remind him that Reed was right in his calculations and that Doom should have listened when Reed said the formula was wrong.​
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Funny how that works.
 
Nerys Myk said:
Well yeah. We know the Soviets have a Super Soldier Program. It created the Red Guardian and the other Winter Soldiers. They didn't need to "harvest" ovaries for that. The Black Widows were sterilized for a different reason.
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But if they wanted to they could have wrote that and gave the Black Widows a different backstory. The main point of course would be to give Natasha a daughter who is now Taskmaster. She was designed to be another Black Widow but Nat's mom decided use her for another purpose. Plus it would imply that they saw the Red Guardian as a failure and went with a different idea in how to use the Super Soldier Serum. Plus I think the idea of the Soviet Union using the Serum this way would be a metaphor as well to the idea of how they have treated their athletes over the years, especially those they wanted to compete in the Olympics.
 
Jayson1 said:
But if they wanted to they could have wrote that and gave the Black Widows a different backstory. The main point of course would be to give Natasha a daughter who is now Taskmaster. She was designed to be another Black Widow but Nat's mom decided use her for another purpose. Plus it would imply that they saw the Red Guardian as a failure and went with a different idea in how to use the Super Soldier Serum. Plus I think the idea of the Soviet Union using the Serum this way would be a metaphor as well to the idea of how they have treated their athletes over the years, especially those they wanted to compete in the Olympics.
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The whole ovaries thing is a nonstarter for me.
 
They could go with cloning but at least them harvesting ovaries is something already established in the movies so it makes more sense to me to build off that. Frankly I think it just makes the bad guys even more villainous.
 
Jayson1 said:
They could go with cloning but at least them harvesting ovaries is something already established in the movies so it makes more sense to me to build off that. Frankly I think it just makes the bad guys even more villainous.
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No. They were sterilizing women, no harvesting ovaries. And you don't need to the ovaries to create embryos, you just need the eggs.
 
I would have been happy with another option as well. To me though it feels like they are pulling their punches and playing it safe when they make it looks like Nat has killed a kid but nope, It's okay the kid didn't really die. To me the worst example of this kind of storytelling will always be Tm Cruise's son somehow being alive at the end of "War of the Worlds." My first reaction when seeing that in the theater was "This is B.S. No way should he still be alive. Not only realistically surviving that battle but it undercuts the entire scene were Cruise has to let him go so he can save his daughter. "
 
Jayson1 said:
I would have been happy with another option as well. To me though it feels like they are pulling their punches and playing it safe when they make it looks like Nat has killed a kid but nope, It's okay the kid didn't really die.
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Yeah instead the kid became a disfigured mindless assassin controlled by her twisted father. So "yay"?
Not really comparable to the WotW scene were the kid is a-okay.
Person I thought I killed is alive and trying to kill me is a different trope.
 
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