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Spoilers Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes grade and discussion thread

How do you rate Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes?

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  • Never send a monkey to do a man's job.

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The Nth Doctor

Wanderer in the Fourth Dimension
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I'm surprised we don't already have a spoiler review thread already, especially since I thought I would be the late viewer of it! I saw it this afternoon and loved every minute of it. The film is a worthy sequel to the Serkis trilogy and continuation of the overall saga, filled with many Easter eggs to both (the best being the Jerry Goldsmith callbacks).

While it didn't quite hit emotional highs of the Serkis films, I nonetheless loved the worldbuilding of the evolved Ape society, from the nature-loving, Robinson-esque treehouse-living, eagle-raising culture of Noa's village to the violent, oppressive, clan-consuming, power-hungry culture of Proximus Caesar's "kingdom." This is precisely what I wanted to see in these films as the world moved further away from modern human society. I loved the intricacies of Noa's clan nurturing eagles as tools and companions for their youth as part of their coming of age and how the shattering of Noa's ritual was disrupted and evolved after the destruction of his village.

Admittedly, such nuances aren't quite as deep with Proximus' kingdom, least of all because we don't even see it until much later in the film. But one particular aspect of it I did love was seeing how Caesar's legacy and name had been corrupted by Proximus' hunger for power and control over all apes. I especially appreciated seeing Raka calling out that corruption and was able to pass on that knowledge to Noa before his untimely death (a shame since he was definitely my favorite character of the whole film).

On both sides of that coin, I loved seeing Caesar's old window frame enduring as a powerful symbol of his legacy, both for good (as carried on by Raka then to Noa) and for bad (as a banner for Proximus' dictatorship), plus the lingering question of how that symbol might affect the surviving humans as passed onto Mae. Speaking of whom...

I'm really glad I avoided a lot of the later teasers since I heard at least one of them had a big spoiler in them. I imagine that spoiler was that not only could she speak, but she retained pre-virus human intelligence. For much of the film, I speculated whether or not we got a clever reverse original film where the viewers see the Icarus' surviving crew member's massive change on Earth from the apes' perspective.

In some ways, I'm glad that wasn't the case, but in some ways, I'm a tad disappointed because considering the truth of the situation. I was fine with the idea that a very small population of the humans were unaffected by the newest mutation of the virus, which allowed Mae and Trevathan to exist, but I was less keen with the idea that there was a hidden outpost of survivors striving to exist in the ape-dominated world with their intelligence intact. Maybe the idea will grow on me with subsequent viewings, along with any potential sequels that follow that set up (Hi, Dichen Lachman! I recognized you right away!).

Regardless of that reveal, I still loved the overall film and I look forward to adding it to my Planet of the Apes rewatch list (which is primarily the original film and the Serkis trilogy).

Lastly, I have to say it: Eagles! The eagles are coming!
 
My mom and I saw it earlier today, and while she was kinda lukewarm on it, I really enjoyed it. I don't think it quite reached the heights of the Andy Serkis trilogy, but it was still very good.
I loved all of the stuff with the Eagle clan, the design and bits of development we were really cool.
I love that even as evolved as they are, the apes still had a lot of real world ape behavior left intact.
I liked the cast and the characters, I wouldn't mind seeing more of who survived the movie. I was disappointed to see them kill Raka, he was my favorite character. I was a little surprised they killed Proximus, I expected them to leave him alive at least until the third movie of the planned trilogy. Mae was an interesting character, as her trustworthyness became less clear as the movie went on. It will definitely be very interesting to see what direction her character goes in if we do get the second and third movies. She did set off the explosives to flood the bunker with Noa and everyone inside, but she still came back to see Noa at the end, and seemed apologetic. I could see her going either way when it came to wanting to take over from the apes, or live side by side with them.
 
I was so on the fence about watching this. I had seen the previous trilogy at the theater and was planning to watch this at the theater too until the reviews came in and the general view was "too long, just sets up future films". I prefer @The Nth Doctor word "world building". That's what it felt to me when I finally gave in and watched it at the theater tonight. It is a first chapter, but a really satisfying one and I just love the Ape world and how it works. The film looks stunning. I hope and expect characters from this film return for the next. I avoided spoilers but I thought I had accidentally glanced at one saying that Mae/Nova was one of the astronauts that had left Earth in Rise. There's still room for that to be true but it seems she's just one of the humans that survived the virus.
 
Saw this one last week. It was enjoyable, but it did feel long. The best thing about this movie was the world building and an optimistic hope that this series of films will actually be good.
 
By the way, does anyone know how this fits in the timeline? The director Wes Ball says it's something of a prequel to the 1968 movie which I didn't realize was still considered part of the timeline at this point.

Speaking of timelines I learned recently that the 74 TV series and 75 animated series of Planet of the Apes actually fit into the original timeline. I had thought they were just retelling events of the movie but are they really all part of one timeline??
 
By the way, does anyone know how this fits in the timeline? The director Wes Ball says it's something of a prequel to the 1968 movie which I didn't realize was still considered part of the timeline at this point.

In "Rise", there are a couple of blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameos regarding the Icarus. The launch appears on a TV broadcast, and a subsequent newspaper headline references the loss of the ship.

If there are any plans to actually revisit that storyline in future Apes films, I'm not aware of it. Probably not gonna happen, though. That story's already been told.

And in any case I doubt that the current Apes films could ever fit, timeline-wise, with the originals. The genesis of the ape revolution is just too different.
 
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Yeah, I read an article about how all the movies fit together a day or two before Kingdom came out, and I really don't think there's any way the original movies could fit in the Rise - Kingdom timeline.
As for where it takes place in the new movies' timeline, I saw a couple things online say it is 300 years after the Ceasar trilogy, which if you were to put them all together would put it 1600 years before the original.
As for why they'd have to be separate timelines, there are several incompatibilities. The big one being that the apes' uprising played out in a totally different way, it sounds like the originals treated the apes' evolution as a more or less natural occurrence without the virus, the Icarus was launched in 1978 in the original movies and 2011 in Rise, and there was no nuclear war in the new timeline.
 
We enjoyed the film and only had a few little nitpicks, same as most other people.

Interesting that last week this movie was #5 and this week it moved up to #3.
 
Just saw the movie with my friends and we liked it. Good story and really good FX! Not like the cheap looking FX in the Marvel and DC movies
 
I watched Kingdom this morning. It was alright. I've seen all of the Apes movies now but they just don't have the gravitas that I think they could have.
 
Kingdom is coming to D+ August 2nd, at least in Canada
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Just watched it, it was pretty good. Though I feel like the CG was worse than the last one in some places.

Also there's no way those arrays would still be working after hundreds of years, and any satellites in orbit would have fallen out of orbit by then.

but I forgive them it's a movie, suspension of disbelief.
 
So I need to upgrade to add Hulu to watch it on my Disney plus? Aw. Do we know if there's a chance Disney plus only members will get to watch it?

Edit- After looking at the physical release date I'll just wait 3 more weeks (August 27th)
 
I liked it. As many have said, maybe not as good as the heights of the previous trilogy...but even just "not quite as good" still puts it head and shoulders above a huge amount of the other slop out there. ;)

I'm quite curious to see the "raw" cut of the movie that they're releasing (the assembled film without VFX), but I'm not sure I want to buy it twice just for that. We'll see.
 
By the way, does anyone know how this fits in the timeline? The director Wes Ball says it's something of a prequel to the 1968 movie which I didn't realize was still considered part of the timeline at this point.
This series is considered a complete reboot series.

If there are any plans to actually revisit that storyline in future Apes films, I'm not aware of it. Probably not gonna happen, though. That story's already been told.
It probably will be because they are planning a 9 movie series, they will probably do a kind of remake of the first movie from 1968 and 1970 in three parts.
 
Jumpstarting this thread after watching Kingdom again. Apologies if my questions have been answered previously.
1. Intelligent humans living in sealed and/or underground bunkers. Is this seed-planting for what eventually comes to pass in Beneath?
2. Given the woman in the hazmat suit, the simian flu is still alive and well in the outside world. It makes sense that only someone naturally immune to the virus (2% of the original human population) would be sent to retrieve the communications hard drive. But does this mean that Mae is not only immune but is now a simian flu carrier as well? Is going outside a sacrifice she made willingly, or is she so much of a zealot that exile doesn't matter?
 
Jumpstarting this thread after watching Kingdom again. Apologies if my questions have been answered previously.
1. Intelligent humans living in sealed and/or underground bunkers. Is this seed-planting for what eventually comes to pass in Beneath?
It is possibly a reference, but I doubt it's seed planting, I think the current series is pretty solidly an alternate universe not prequels.
2. Given the woman in the hazmat suit, the simian flu is still alive and well in the outside world. It makes sense that only someone naturally immune to the virus (2% of the original human population) would be sent to retrieve the communications hard drive. But does this mean that Mae is not only immune but is now a simian flu carrier as well? Is going outside a sacrifice she made willingly, or is she so much of a zealot that exile doesn't matter?
I thought we saw her going back and interacting with the other humans with no problem?
 
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