Kazon Space Question

[dregj]

How big was kazon space?
it seems like these people weren't even as advanced as the cardassians but voyager kept encountering them for two years.
Given that some sources stated the ship goes 1000 light years a year
(70 years from earth ) assuming delays are factored in
does that mean kazon space was 2000 light years across?
twice as big as the federation
for low warp race that is mighty impressive

 

[hux]

It wasn't Kazon space, it was just... space.

Their freedom to swan about it, puffing out their chest and pretending to be important was primarily based on the fact that large portions of the Delta quadrant were occupied by some of the dumbest, weakest and unimpressive aliens ever encountered in Trek.

The rare powerful species would - like the Borg - view them as unworthy of their time. The fair to middling species would see them as being mostly concerned with their own in-fighting.

 

[dregj]

it probably wasnt all kazon space
given the amount of other races encountered
but it was still spread out over 1000s of light years
i still dont get how the nistrum leader and seska kept catching up to voyager to pull off there nefarious schemes
when they were so backward in tech
as i recall a standard voyager maneuver with the kazon was running away because they knew they couldn't catch up

 

[Finn]

I wonder if Alliances was meant to be used earlier. If Alliances was one of the first few Season 2 episodes, it wouldn't have been that far from Ocampa. If so, one could easily deduce that Seska was resourceful enough to find shortcuts- Cardie women are supposed to be better at the sciences and engineering than the Cardie males, at least by their social norms. It's entirely there's someone with technology or knowledge of a wormhole Seska discovered through her resourcefulness.

 

[dregj]

I wonder if Alliances was meant to be used earlier. If Alliances was one of the first few Season 2 episodes, it wouldn't have been that far from Ocampa. If so, one could easily deduce that Seska was resourceful enough to find shortcuts- Cardie women are supposed to be better at the sciences and engineering than the Cardie males, at least by their social norms. It's entirely there's someone with technology or knowledge of a wormhole Seska discovered through her resourcefulness.

that aint actually a bad explanation never stated in the show of course
spoonhead tech may have made them faster
and the hold over eps added to the confusion

 

[Griffeytrek]

It wasn't Kazon space, it was just... space.

Their freedom to swan about it, puffing out their chest and pretending to be important was primarily based on the fact that large portions of the Delta quadrant were occupied by some of the dumbest, weakest and unimpressive aliens ever encountered in Trek.

The rare powerful species would - like the Borg - view them as unworthy of their time. The fair to middling species would see them as being mostly concerned with their own in-fighting.

My working theory is that the Delta quadrant is mainly populated by races the Borg skipped over for fear of assimilating themselves stupid. I mean each Talaxian assimilated has got to drop the overall collective IQ a measurable amount. After a few centuries of this the surviving races start to evolutionarily select for low intelligence poor hygiene., and a complete lack of common sense. Then Janeway arrives to carve her trail of blood and destruction through them.

 

[Catarina]

I agree, Finn. And perhaps if they didn't pull it out of their asses as they went along they would have had it line up better. why not write a whole season prior to shooting it? but weren't they undecided to go episodic or i can't think of the word, 'continuous' at the beginning? if I understood the producer commentary they were feeling it out but network vetoed them a lot. Now dragging out stories is the trend of today.

 

[Griffeytrek]

I agree, Finn. And perhaps if they didn't pull it out of their asses as they went along they would have had it line up better. why not write a whole season prior to shooting it? but weren't they undecided to go episodic or i can't think of the word, 'continuous' at the beginning? if I understood the producer commentary they were feeling it out but network vetoed them a lot. Now dragging out stories is the trend of today.

I'm pretty sure the first time any Trek showed was allowed to go to directly ongoing episodic storytelling was the last season of DS9. Prior to that it was something of a curse word. Particularly with Berman. Trek pre produced a lot of scripts and had a deep pool to draw from. But they didn't always think about the order of them. They were meant to be essentially stand alone so sometimes an older script or story idea would get pulled from the pile, reworked and used. This really didn't change until they proved the concept with the last season of DS9. Which then benefited Voyagers back half and Enterprise after it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Kazon took uncontested space that no one else wanted.

 

[Griffeytrek]

The Kazon took uncontested space that no one else wanted.

It's amazing how quickly no one wanted a given stretch of space as soon as the Kazon moved in.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Kazan space is as big as the plot demanded.

I kinda wish they'd gotten out of it at the end of Season 1 and then had the Vidiians as the recurring enemy for Season 2. Of course in that scenario Seska stays with the crew to become a greater source of tension and conflict among them--the cat among the pigeons so to speak.

Or turn the aliens who beat the Talaxians into a greater threat, seeing as how they do use bio-weapons of mass destruction, makes them a serious threat to Voyager and every other race near them.

 

[Catarina]

It's amazing how quickly no one wanted a given stretch of space as soon as the Kazon moved in.

would you want them as your neighbor? I think we figured out how they cover a large chunk of space for being so dumb. No one wanted the surrounding real estate

 

[Guy Gardener]

President for Life Caretaker was a known mass-rapist. The only people who lived in proximity to his tractor beam were persons who didn't mind being raped, or saw it as a numbers game that it was unlikely that they personally might be eventually raped by Caretaker, even as everyone around them was being raped and reraped by senile old Caretaker who was really bad at remembering who individually or even what species had already been up in stirrups in his forced insemination factory.

 

[Timo]

By the Trek interpretation of Milky Way, Caretaker took the heroes basically to the very edge of the galaxy; supposedly, there'd be less stuff going on there than in more central regions. Kazon territorial claims simply wouldn't be contested from as many directions...

I doubt the hero ship was capable of as high a speed in the first few years as she was after leaving Kazon space and getting her first proper repairs. The Kazon would be able to keep up mainly because their ships weren't shot to hell in the first place, and could keep trudging forward when the heroes stopped to put their overheating superengine back together.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Guy Gardener]

Voyager was pristine.

The 17ish Kazon Sects were surrounding Voyager in the beginning, and possibly Cullah, who was not the original Mage at Caretaker, was obviously following Voyager, it's just a question of how much of his sect he had to abandon to follow Voyager if his fleet was abandoning poopulated real estate to keep pace with Voyager.

 

[dregj]

2000 light years is still a godam big empire for primitive pseudo klingons

 

[Guy Gardener]

Genghis Kahn had a mobile city made from tents.

Population 1,000,000 people, all on horseback.

They just cruised around until they'd used up the local resources and then moved on with promises that when they came back, in a couple years, the locals better be ready, or a lot of people were going to have their heads cut off.

The Kazon don't live on planets.

"Cows" lives on planets.

Those City Ships are big.

40,000 people?

Each sect has dozens of City Ships?

Their empire moves.

 

[dregj]

now that is an interesting theory
would explain how they come to spread out of such ridiculous distances

 

[Griffeytrek]

Each sect has dozens of City Ships?

Their empire moves.

And yet none of them would appear to have an adequate supply of shampoo? or conditioner?

 

[dregj]

because there worth it