JJ Abrams dream was to make Star Wars not Trek?

[Dales]

Quite an amusing story to see how things have turned out for a person who said he was never a star trek fan but a star wars fan, he made some star trek films and ran to star wars when he got the chance. Anyone else find this ironic that his star trek movies have arguably turned out better than his dream star wars movies.

To some of the people who thought into darkness was bad, I can tell you that the rise of skywalker compared to into darkness is fan fiction. I can't believe JJ Abrmas directed and wrote the film.

More importantly, would you accept JJ Abrams back for another star trek movie or do you want him to stay away from star trek for good.

I personally missed him in star trek Beyond, I wish he directed the film but with the same screen play and maybe more dialogue between the characters. star trek beyond lacked an energy and stake that star trek 2009 and into darkness had.Such a shame, JJ Abrams blew everything for the sake of star wars, he should have stuck with star trek.

 

[dswynne1]

Wanting to do something doesn't mean being qualified to do it...

 

[Tenacity]

It's possible to have more than one dream. so he might have wanted to do both franchises in turn. there's no way around it star wars is bigger more note worthy than trek. more significant to abrams career. professionally it made more sense for abrams to put more time into wars than trek.

 

[fireproof78]

Abrams has done great with both, thus far. I would love to have him back for Star Trek.

 

[Khan 2.0]

I personally missed him in star trek Beyond, I wish he directed the film but with the same screen play and maybe more dialogue between the characters. star trek beyond lacked an energy and stake that star trek 2009 and into darkness had.Such a shame, JJ Abrams blew everything for the sake of star wars, he should have stuck with star trek.

also had JJ not gone over to SW7 and directed Beyond instead it would've been a completely different story to the Pegg/Jung/Lin Beyond (probably the Orci/Shatner script..or at least something along those lines)

 

[Dales]

Wanting to do something doesn't mean being qualified to do it...

I wonder how much say JJ had with star wars compared to his star trek. Disney is known for stripping away creative freedom. Star trek 2009 is a true JJ Abrams film, love it or hate it, its his. his star wars movies felt more like cooperate junk food than something he made.

 

[Dales]

Abrams has done great with both, thus far. I would love to have him back for Star Trek.

He did great for trek with star trek 2009. he did bad for star wars with force awakens which was what set the motion of things to come.

into darkness would have been a great movie if there was no Khan, no twist with spock's death from wrath of Khan, wrote some of the characters better and mature and limited the action scenes. I would still call into darkness a movie, a flawed movie. rise of skywalker is pure fan fiction and makes no sense as a real official movie.

 

[fireproof78]

I wonder how much say JJ had with star wars compared to his star trek. Disney is known for stripping away creative freedom. Star trek 2009 is a true JJ Abrams film, love it or hate it, its his. his star wars movies fell more like cooperate junk food.

Well, I disagree with the overall sentiment, but Abrams has been vocal regarding the creative freedom he had to explore in TFA, and complimentary of Kennedy's allowing him to do so.

Whether you believe or not is another story. But, I don't see it as "corporate junk food" just because "Disney."

He did great for trek with star trek 2009. he did bad for star wars with force awakens which was what set the motion of things to come.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Relayer1]

I'd like JJ to stay the hell away from anything I like for ever.

 

[Kor]

Corporate moviemaking will generally be somewhat creatively restrictive for the director. That's pretty much a given.

Kor

 

[Lord Garth]

I think JJ Abrams would've loved to have made a Star Wars movie but in the mid-'00s he thought he couldn't so, when he was given Star Trek, he made the type of movie he would like and the movie other filmgoers would like. I think he was happy with that. But when Disney gained the rights to Star Wars and wanted him to direct, it was a childhood dream come true that he didn't think would ever happen. If I were him, I would've felt the same way. Even though I'm not a Star Wars fan, I know what it's like to have a dream come true. So I can see where he's coming from on that level. So I don't think Star Trek (2009) was intended to be just a stepping stone but it became one for him after the fact.

For the creative freedom: with Star Trek, JJ Abrams had to rebuild it from scratch. He could do whatever he wanted. He could keep or discard whatever he wanted. With Star Wars, it's much higher profile (like it or not, it is) and he wasn't starting from scratch. He was continuing a line that wasn't broken and didn't need to be fixed. Of course, the original trilogy is better regarding than the prequel trilogy, and he probably prefers the original trilogy, so he was given a task of making a movie that felt more like the OT than the PT. Otherwise, he was just keeping up what was already put out.

 

[DarthTimon]

I think JJ has outright stated he is a Warsie and not a Trekkie - and it would not surprise me if he used Trek as a stepping stone, but I have no issue with that.

I don't generally have issues with his work for either franchise, though Into Darkness had some awkward moments and Rise of Skywalker is far from perfect. I loved Trek 09 and I loved The Force Awakens too. Bottom line, he's done good work for both franchises, and not-so-good work for both franchises.

 

[valkyrie013]

I think he's a good visual director, but his scripts are lacking.. somewhat compared to Snyder.. all gloss..
He made a decent star trek, but star wars he dropped the ball like a uranium spike.. His stuff was retread rehash nothing new fluff..
as for Trek vs Wars.. back in 08-09 there was no star wars exept Clone wars. so he may of dreamed of it, but wasn't an option, so he retooled Star Trek in to a Star Wars actioneer.. But don't fault him for following his dream to direct War of the Stars..
Most of his stuff for both is written like an Ubergeek wrote it, and no one with some common sense edited it..
Personally rather he stay away from both sagas now that he's done...

 

[Dales]

I am not faulting him for following his dream by ditching star trek for star wars, I just find the end point of his dream quite ironic and do wish, he may come back for a trek film. infact I think him and Noah Hawley would make a great team. Noah does the writing. and jj and Noah Co direct the film.

A part of me now fears his career is tainted with star wars, rise of skywalker is already projecting for a dismal opening. again the irony is telling because just exactly 10 years ago, star trek 2009 was on everybody's best science fiction film list of the 2000-2010 decade. I think SFX or empire even named Star Trek 2009 the best science fiction film of the decade. none of his star wars movies is going to be that remembered in this decade, if I was been really harsh, I think this decade will be more about the fall of star wars and JJ is an anchor to that.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I haven't seen Rise of the Skywalker yet but I loved JJ's 2 Trek movies (the '09 movie is my favourite Trek of all) and The Force Awakens. In fact, I've enjoyed all of his work so yes I'd definitely be happy to have him back.

 

[Dales]

I haven't seen Rise of the Skywalker yet but I loved JJ's 2 Trek movies (the '09 movie is my favourite Trek of all) and The Force Awakens. In fact, I've enjoyed all of his work so yes I'd definitely be happy to have him back.

Yes, I would not mind if he comes back as long as he sticks to what worked with star trek 2009 and does not do fan service like into darkness but I think many trek fans would like for him to stay away especially fans who have been around since the TOS era, the new trek fans who became fans of star trek because of the 09 films have a more positive view of jj abrams.

 

[BillJ]

I believe he is attached to Warner Bros. now. Which means he won't be working on Trek again for the foreseeable future. Rumor has it he is going to tackle Superman down the road.

 

[M'Sharak]

Quite an amusing story to see how things have turned out for a person who said he was never a star trek fan but a star wars fan,

Again, he was talking about when he was growing up and in his teens. Star Wars was what was new and happening then. Star Trek movies were people from a ten-year-old TV show trying to ride the Star Wars wave.

he made some star trek films and ran to star wars when he got the chance.

He took a job directing Star Wars which was offered to him, after having passed on that same gig several times previously.

To some of the people who thought into darkness was bad, I can tell you that the rise of skywalker compared to into darkness is fan fiction.

Rise of Skywalker opens tomorrow. You've seen it already?

More importantly, would you accept JJ Abrams back for another star trek movie or do you want him to stay away from star trek for good.

Wait, what's the thread's topic now — is it this?

rise of skywalker is pure fan fiction and makes no sense as a real official movie.

So you have seen it? And why are you making a thread in this forum about a film which goes in another forum? We've talked about that before.

I am not faulting him for following his dream by ditching star trek for star wars,

He didn't "ditch Trek for Star Wars". He was hired by Paramount as a Producer, and he continued to do that.

if I was been really harsh,

There's that word again... signaling...

... I think many trek fans would like for him to stay away especially fans who have been around since the TOS era,

Long ago demonstrated to be untrue.

the new trek fans who became fans of star trek because of the 09 films have a more positive view of jj abrams.

As has this. The supposed divide between Old Fans and fans who came to Trek only with the 2009 movie and after — that's been shown over and over again to be a fiction. Why insist upon dragging that canard out again?

So... again: what is the topic of this thread? What do you think it is?

It staggers wildly from subject to subject, as if it has not one clue what it's doing here, and often seems to be under the mistaken impression that it's living in the Star Wars subforum instead of the Trek XI+/Kelvin timeline forum.

Your thread really needs to decide upon a single coherent topic — one which belongs in this forum — and do it soon, or it's likely to go the same way all of your other muddled, multiple-topic, can't-make-up-their-mind-what-they-want-to-be threads have gone.


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I'd like JJ to stay the hell away from anything I like for ever.

We know.

Everyone. Knows.

There may not be a single person left alive anywhere who has not seen this dead horse being flogged into a runny, splattered mess.

Give it a rest, 'K?

 

[Relayer1]

We know.

Everyone. Knows.

Yeah, it's kind of Pavlovian isn't it ?

In fairness, I wasn't specifically referring to Trek. It is a Star Warsy thread...

 

[fireproof78]

Thus far, Abrams has not successfully broken in to my uber-secure bunker and stolen my VHS of TOS or Star Wars so that is safe...for now...