Is Bashir considered an Augment?
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Sure why not? After all, he was augmented.
Probably not. Augments seem to imply Humans that undertook a specific type of genetic engineering to create superman like Kahn and his followers. Bashir did have some enhancements done but they did not seem to be to the same extent, so while he was augmented he is not an Augment.
He's basically the same, and a rose by any other name is an Andromedan marauder. I remember reading the talk section on MA about this issue though and there's a huge semantic debate of truly boring proportions.
Yes he is. He does possess superior mental capacities and physical coordination. He doesn't have superior physical attributes like Khan, but he is definately not "factory stock".
In that case the Augments of Enterprise aren't even Augments, since Soong found them as embryos. They may have been like Khan, but they never fought in the wars.
I see what you mean, now. I zeroed in on the "fought in the Eugenics wars" part and took it literally, which would mean only those who actually fought in the wars would be called Augments. In that case you are right, Bashir wouldn't be an Augment.
In my personal opinion, all genetically augmented people should fall under the term Augment, though.
In my personal opinion, all genetically augmented people should fall under the term Augment, though.
Yeah, Bashir is an augment.
Shows the Federation's hypocrisy that they sweep it under the rug/look the other way. Just like with Section 31; the Romulan deceiving; the genocide disease etc. But that's one of the great things about DS9; that it has the cojones to show the Federation's hypocrisy in many ways.
Shows the Federation's hypocrisy that they sweep it under the rug/look the other way. Just like with Section 31; the Romulan deceiving; the genocide disease etc. But that's one of the great things about DS9; that it has the cojones to show the Federation's hypocrisy in many ways.
Given that their mandate is to seek out new life forms, they sure don't cotton to new ways of being human. That's the real hypocrisy.
Amen.
Feds seem more concerned about image than morality
I bet if there were ever a literal take over of Earth, they'd find way spring any locked away Augments to kick arse.
The trouble is that the term "Augment" carries with it certain connotations. Namely, Augments are not only smarter, but also stronger, and extremely dominant and power hungry.
I don't see Patrick as meeting these qualities. Nor Serena.
But really it doesn't. If you think about it at the most basic level, it contradicts the PD.
Even if it's their own, they're still interfering with the natural evolution of a species.
By that logic, they'd better get rid of their replicators.
How so?
Technology is the byproduct of a species's natural intellectual evolution. Artificially manipulating that progression is not.
Technology is the byproduct of a species's natural intellectual evolution. Artificially manipulating that progression is not.
To answer this question, we must first define the word "Augment". The artiocle on Memory Alpha says, "Augment is a term used to describe a group of genetically engineered Humans created by DNA resequencing in the late 20th century, a group of Klingons, and other genetically-engineered beings. (Those from the 20th century were also called supermen.) The Augments were designed to be stronger, faster, and more intelligent than a normal Human being. Even their resistance to energy weapons was improved, as it took multiple shots with a phase pistol to stun one."
Clearly, by this definition, Bashir is not an augment.
It would seem that Augments are one particular type of genetically engineered person, but not all GE people are augments.
Clearly, by this definition, Bashir is not an augment.
It would seem that Augments are one particular type of genetically engineered person, but not all GE people are augments.
What the hell is an 'augment'? 
I mean, I know what 'augment' means...but where in the world did you get that terminology?
Did I miss something?
I mean, I know what 'augment' means...but where in the world did you get that terminology?
Did I miss something?
What the hell is an 'augment'?
I mean, I know what 'augment' means...but where in the world did you get that terminology?
Did I miss something?
Did you watch Enterprise, specifically Season 4 where Brent Spiner had a guest role?
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