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I'm confused, what is Rory? (SPOILERS from previous weeks)

Brent

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I'm confused here, just need some clearing up. He was made of plastic, and survived for 2000 years without aging. So is he still plastic, does he still age? Is he real? If he is not real did Amy marry a plastic man? How can they have children? And how did Rory age in the ep two weeks ago inside the TARDIS if he is plastic and didn't age for 2000 years? And if he is real how did he go from plastic to real?

I'm so confused what Rory is at this point.
 
I believe that he is real, having been brought back by Amy as part of Big Bang II, but still retains the memories and impressions of having lived as an Auton for 2000 years...
 
The Autons being made out of plastic is silly as they'd never be able to fool anyone. One touch and the disguise would be over and done with. Since that was never really the case, particularly with the Romans (since River had apparently kissed several of them), they're clearly composed of something more like The Flesh. Which means cuts, bleeding, sweat, and etc. are all possibilities.

I'm of the opinion that Rory is still one. And it's also why he has a sympathetic link with the "gangers" in the latest episode.
 
When Amy goes to The Doctor at her wedding you can hear Rory say "I was plastic", so my impression was that he came back as a human but retained some of his memories of being an Auton.

Besides, had he still been plastic I think he'd have used his hand-blaster by now.

The Autons are plastic as stated in the show just some kind of Space Plastic so not the same as "our" plastic.

But it could explain Rory's sympathy, the gangers are duplicates of the original and that's just what he was for almost 2000 years.
 
A couple of episodes ago The Doctor asked Rory if he could remember being plastic and he mentioned that sometimes he could, and sometimes he couldn't -- and I got the impression that he tried very hard to block those memories out and it was more of a matter of them sometimes coming crashing back.
 
This Amy and Rory never had any of the adventures with the Doctor that the season 5 Amy and Rory had. The universe gifted them with memories of those adventures for no reason whatsoever other than they were triggered by a phantom River to Jumpstart the Doctor back to life who also didn't exist until they believed he did...

It's more like in Peter Pan about clapping to bring fairies back to life.

Fabricated memory implanted Doctor and companions barely as real as gangers, which makes me wonder if the Doctor might have also survived the big bang and he is too wandering around in his TARDIS with the last Universes Rory and Amy having adventures we know nothing about,but of course being fully aware of this Doctor since he had River 'make" them to perhaps act as a lightning rod to whatever evil was behind all that unresolved codswallop last season.

Did you see The Seventh day when they'd bring out clones with up to date memories of their originators, and near the end, the bad guy isn't quite dead yet telling his woke up early clone to help him because he isn't dead yet... But the Clone is saying fuck you I'm the real guy now, so let me help you die.

That sort of thing.

Exactly what the rebel flesh is all about really.

Have you seen Moon? Moon is really good.
 
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The Autons being made out of plastic is silly as they'd never be able to fool anyone. One touch and the disguise would be over and done with. Since that was never really the case, particularly with the Romans (since River had apparently kissed several of them), they're clearly composed of something more like The Flesh. Which means cuts, bleeding, sweat, and etc. are all possibilities.

Well, this is some kind of SF-trope, i guess. Tv-Tropes probably has a catchy name for it. Other famous example are the Terminators, a half-ton metal skeleton with an organic skin, also indestinguishable from a real human by the highest tech available.

*cough*scales*cough*

I'm of the opinion that Rory is still one. And it's also why he has a sympathetic link with the "gangers" in the latest episode.

Personaly, i'm in the "human" camp. He got rebooted into human when the universe was restored, but retained his memories to a degree.
 
I'm still puzzled how River got to where Amy and Rory had their wedding. She didn't use the Vortex Manipulator because the Doctor gave it back to her after he gave her back her diary. If the Universe Reset after Big Bang II, then she shouldn't have ended up there.
 
Tv-Tropes probably has a catchy name for it. Other famous example are the Terminators, a half-ton metal skeleton with an organic skin, also indestinguishable from a real human by the highest tech available.

*cough*scales*cough*

Tied to this, the comics rarely pick up on the fact that anyone who punches Wolverine in the face would likely break their hands.
 
Rory tells the Dr he remembers being an Auton but not all the time, it's like a trapdoor he can open in his head. I figure Rory is flesh and blood alright but he has the crossover memories of himself in the alternate timeline just as the Doctor and Amy do. He sympathasises with the gangers because of that experience but he's 100% human.

Three great possibilities for this idea;

1. It turns out Rory is the world's greatest expert on history and antiques having spent 2000 years hanging around in museums

2. Auton Rory shows up in our universe looking for his bride Amy (can anyone guess how the Dr solves that one?)

3. A group of mystery hunters show up at the Tardis determined to meet the legend but rather than being fans of the Dr they're obsessed with Rory, the mythical Roman Centurion, guardian of the Pandorica, that great romantic figure, faithfully watching over his beloved throughout the ages. What would make this even funnier is if Amy is outraged at the liberties they've taken in their fanfiction about him;)

Also be interesting if they ran into the Autons again and they refuse to fight Rory as they percieve him to be one of them
 
I'm still puzzled how River got to where Amy and Rory had their wedding. She didn't use the Vortex Manipulator because the Doctor gave it back to her after he gave her back her diary. If the Universe Reset after Big Bang II, then she shouldn't have ended up there.

What's puzzling you about it? In the same episode, we saw the Doctor whizzing about through time, and altering the past so it matched the future. For example, after Amelia is already there at the museum, he discovers he needs to leave her a note so she'll go there to meet the guy standing in front of her.

Yeah sure, River doesn't have the VM *at that moment* but she gets it later, and could come back and drop off the book, which brings the Doctor back, which brings the VM back.

Timey wimey.
 
Also she shouldn't really have remembered the Doctor either...

Isn't that just the nature of the universe, nothing ever really being destroy permanently. It's kind of like when you delete then recycle a file on your hard drive. That information is never really completely gone and it can be resurrected with enough skill. I also think that this applies not just to Rory but anyone and everything in the universe.

On rare occasions more information that not that was lost manages to reassert it's self. In Rory's case, 2000 years worth of memories just don't vanish, especially memories tied with strong emotions. Also, don't forget that he doesn't remember all the time or even a lot but it is there from to time.
 
Yep. Technically it never happened, but as a time-traveller he recalls it like a dream, just as Amy recalled the Doctor in The Big Bang - or something.
 
People have a lot of trouble with what Amy was able to do in the Big Bang. What it comes down to is understanding the meaning of the Doctor's words:

"People fall out of the world sometimes but they always leave traces. Little things we can’t quite account for, faces in photographs, luggage, half-eaten meals. Rings. Nothing is ever forgotten, not completely. And if something can be remembered, it can come back."

This is such a great little explanation by the Doctor, because it works on two levels. The best is how it is talking about life. People vanish from our lives. Parents die, friends move away. Such is life. As we grow up we too are like the Doctor regenerating: we become someone brand new yet still the same. Sometimes we look back and realize we've forgotten all about someone or something that we loved. We find an old photograph of a long lost friend, or our dead mother's wedding ring...and we remember them. Their presence returns to the room as though they were really in it. Those even more spiritual and sentimental would say that the distant friends can come back, relationships can be reforged, our old dreams from childhood still made true, maybe even the dead loved ones found again in the next life.

When the Doctor tells Amy that people fall out of the world, he is telling the truth. They do.

Now, in the fantasy world of Doctor Who we have a crack swallowing people up randomly. ;) But the Doctor is already familiar with the premise that was outlined above. Don't get so wrapped up in the idea of being unwritten from time in a precise way. This is not the Star Trek scientific "If you never existed then all of you is gone" concept, but more of a very crude yank out of the universe: like pulling a thread out from a tapestry. When you pull a thread out from a tapestry it is gone, but there's still a trace that it was there. Rory was erased, but he left behind the wedding ring. Amy's parents were erased but they left behind their daughter. You must view this as the tapestry thread, in Doctor Who effect is not always tied to cause: it is all happening at once and only appears linear. Amy can exist after her parents are unwritten, and a wedding ring can be left behind by Rory. Think of it as debris.

A photo can be left behind too, and in Amy's room there was a photo of Rory in a Halloween costume. If Amy looked at the photo she would not have known who Rory was, just like there's tons of photos in your album with people standing next to you that you probably can't remember either.

The nestine took a kind of deep-intense memory scan of Amy. They wanted to bring the Romans to life from deep within her mind, and they did. They also grabbed another Roman, Rory, who was really her boyfriend dressed in costume. They managed to recreate a auton of Rory from deep within Amy where she could still remember what had been taken from her.

Now you must focus on the end of the Doctor's speech: "If something can be remembered, it can be brought back." Much like a passion you forgot you had rekindled, or a friendship lost to time reforged (thank you, Facebook), here we have an extremem idea of memory having great power. Amy pond grew up all those years with a crack in her bedroom. She slept and poured her dreams into the crack, and the crack poured into her. Amy has a kind of fantastic power. She absorbed a part of the crack. As Rory the robot aimed his gun at Amy she somehow, impossibly remembered him. She pulled him back from outside the universe and poured him into the robot body...a few seconds after he was ordered to shoot her. He became both auton and Rory.

When the universe was reset, real Rory was returned. In that moment he had no memoires of his strange stay in the plastic body. When Amy remembered the Doctor, when she found him in the words he left for her, she remembered her adventures with him too. She pulled it all back from outside of the universe, and the memories of Rory as an auton came back too.

This is a human Rory, but inside him is a memory, distant like a dream, of 2000 years as an auton. He can shut the door in his mind and block it out when it gets to be too much for him, but he does remember.

I actually am surprised at how people continue to voice frustration at the bringing back of unwritten things through memory. It makes a lot of sense as long as you try and digest just what the Doctor is saying to Amy in the quote above. You need to also have a bit of a romantic and spiritual view on life.

I never bloody understood 'bad wolf'. Rose left herself a message. AND???? Now THAT makes no sense. Just something that sounds cool.
 
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