Gemini 12 restoration....

[Warped9]

Even as our beloved starship Enterprise is being restored to her former glory here is another restoration effort for another iconic 1960's spacecraft.

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Although I think there is no contest between Star Trek and Lost In Space I have always liked the LIS vehicles and the hardware of the Irwin Allen sci-fis.

 

[publiusr]

Thank you for this. Nice to see artifacts given some love.

I know trying to find space abord the Jup--I mean Gemini 12--is a fools errand--well, let me remove all doubt by having a go.

I remember this site about a hole on Mars:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5927836/what-secrets-lie-within-the-caves-of-mars

Recently, some accordion type spacecraft may be possible--shades of BEAM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigelow_Expandable_Activity_Module
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/R...could_find_antenna_microfluidic_uses_999.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Designing_a_pop_up_future_999.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/M...ward_for_self_folding_3_D_structures_999.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Paper_tubes_make_stiff_origami_structures_999.html

Lenticular craft have a lot of surface area:
http://www.astronautix.com/fam/lenicles.htm
https://www.aiaa.org/uploadedFiles/...uttle_Launches/ShuttleVariationsFinalAIAA.pdf
See figure 13

So here is an idea. A saucer that lands, and telescopes into a crater--and becomes a multi-storey building.

Not much space while flying--but a lot if you land in a hole.

 

[Galileo7]

I am glad that the Lost In Space Gemini-12 is being restored. Albeit, it will never be placed in the Smithsonian like TOS 1701. I prefer the second version revised Lost In Space Jupiter 2.

For the 1960s some of the iconic science-fiction spaceships are:
1701 Enterprise - TOS
Jupiter 2 / Gemini-12 - Lost In Space
Discovery I - 2OO1:A Space Odyssey
A.N.S.A. Liberty - Planet Of The Apes

 

[N-121973]

Even as our beloved starship Enterprise is being restored to her former glory here is another restoration effort for another iconic 1960's spacecraft.

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Although I think there is no contest between Star Trek and Lost In Space I have always liked the LIS vehicles and the hardware of the Irwin Allen sci-fis.

When I first saw the title of this thread I thought you were referring to the Gemini 12 space capsule that carried Jim Lovell and Buzz Aldrin into orbit back in November 1966.
http://www.astronautix.com/flights/gemini12.htm

 

[Warped9]

^^ I should have clarified the thread title.

The Lost In Space pilot episode called the spaceship the Gemini 12 after NASA's Gemini program of the time. But when the show sold and went to production the ship's name was changed to Jupiter 2 and it was slightly redesigned (to accommodate a lower deck). All this is mentioned in the video.

Interestingly, just as Star Trek reused stock shots of the 2nd pilot version of the Enterprise throughout the series (to save costs) Lost In Space also reused shots of the Gemini 12 in later episodes even though the ship had been redesigned.

Reusing stock footage was common. I'm pretty sure Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea did the same thing with its submarine Seaview throughout the series. The original film and 1st season model had eight large forward viewports and it was clearly meant to represent two decks. For the 2nd season the Seaview was redesigned (externally and internally) so there were now only four large forward viewports as well as an under-the-bow hatch to accommodate the new Flying Sub auxiliary vehicle. There were also some other minor external changes made.

The two versions of the Seaview are distinctly different (to those who care about such things), but nonetheless footage of the first version sometimes appeared in later season episodes. It's easy enough to rationalize the Seaview underwent a significant refit during the 1st and 2nd season to account for its distinctly different appearance.

One can't make that rationalization for the Gemini 12/Jupiter 2 since it's supposed to be exactly the same ship thoughout the entire series. Indeed in the pilot episode the Gemini 12 is shown to have a lower deck even though the exterior miniature clearly shows no such lower deck could exist. Even the redesigned and renamed Jupiter 2 exterior couldn't really accommodate the interior seen onscreen, just as Star Trek's Enterprise couldn't accommodate the spacious hangar deck, its shuttlecraft Galileo couldn't have the oversized interior shown and VTTBOTS's Seaview couldn't possibly accommodate its sizeable Flying Sub without taking up the entire bow section.

 

[Galileo7]

^^ I should have clarified the thread title.

The Lost In Space pilot episode called the spaceship the Gemini 12 after NASA's Gemini program of the time. But when the show sold and went to production the ship's name was changed to Jupiter 2 and it was slightly redesigned (to accommodate a lower deck). All this is mentioned in the video.

Interestingly, just as Star Trek reused stock shots of the 2nd pilot version of the Enterprise throughout the series (to save costs) Lost In Space also reused shots of the Gemini 12 in later episodes even though the ship had been redesigned.

Reusing stock footage was common. I'm pretty sure Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea did the same thing with its submarine Seaview throughout the series. The original film and 1st season model had eight large forward viewports and it was clearly meant to represent two decks. For the 2nd season the Seaview was redesigned (externally and internally) so there were now only four large forward viewports as well as an under-the-bow hatch to accommodate the new Flying Sub auxiliary vehicle. There were also some other minor external changes made.

The two versions of the Seaview are distinctly different (to those who care about such things), but nonetheless footage of the first version sometimes appeared in later season episodes. It's easy enough to rationalize the Seaview underwent a significant refit during the 1st and 2nd season to account for its distinctly different appearance.

One can't make that rationalization for the Gemini 12/Jupiter 2 since it's supposed to be exactly the same ship thoughout the entire series. Indeed in the pilot episode the Gemini 12 is shown to have a lower deck even though the exterior miniature clearly shows no such lower deck could exist. Even the redesigned and renamed Jupiter 2 exterior couldn't really accommodate the interior seen onscreen, just as Star Trek's Enterprise couldn't accommodate the spacious hangar deck, its shuttlecraft Galileo couldn't have the oversized interior shown and VTTBOTS's Seaview couldn't possibly accommodate its sizeable Flying Sub without taking up the entire bow section.

You are correct they did reuse the eight window Seaview footage throughout the Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea series.
In the unaired Lost In Space pilot episode called "No Place To Hide" the Gemini-12 definitely does not have a lower deck. There is not even a ladder or the elevator because there is no lower deck to go to. Also there is no airlock at the exterior hatch.

 

[Warped9]

^^ Respectfully I think you're mistaken. I'm pretty certain Smith was hiding on the lower deck just before the ship took off and then he got stuck aboard and became a reluctant stowaway.

 

[Christopher]

^^ Respectfully I think you're mistaken. I'm pretty certain Smith was hiding on the lower deck just before the ship took off and then he got stuck aboard and became a reluctant stowaway.

Galileo7 was talking about the original unaired pilot, which did not include Smith or the Robot. When the show went to series, new material with Smith and the Robot, plus other new content set in the lower deck, was interpolated with the pilot footage, with most of the original pilot's contents spread across episodes 1, 3, 4, and 5 of the series.

In the original pilot, the ship was knocked off-course by the meteor swarm rather than sabotage, and it drifted for years with the crew in stasis until it finally crashed on a planet. The family built a homestead around the wrecked ship, then abandoned it when the planet grew too hot and they had to head for cooler climes. The pilot ended with them reaching a new shore and offering up a prayer for their survival, with aliens watching them from behind the foliage. In the aired episodes, the structure of the story was changed so that the party returned to the ship at the end, so that they could continue using the sets. (Also Dr. Smith and the Robot had stayed behind because they weren't in the original pilot footage.)

 

[Warped9]

^^ Right. Now I remember.

 

[Galileo7]

Galileo7 was talking about the original unaired pilot, which did not include Smith or the Robot. When the show went to series, new material with Smith and the Robot, plus other new content set in the lower deck, was interpolated with the pilot footage, with most of the original pilot's contents spread across episodes 1, 3, 4, and 5 of the series.

In the original pilot, the ship was knocked off-course by the meteor swarm rather than sabotage, and it drifted for years with the crew in stasis until it finally crashed on a planet. The family built a homestead around the wrecked ship, then abandoned it when the planet grew too hot and they had to head for cooler climes. The pilot ended with them reaching a new shore and offering up a prayer for their survival, with aliens watching them from behind the foliage. In the aired episodes, the structure of the story was changed so that the party returned to the ship at the end, so that they could continue using the sets. (Also Dr. Smith and the Robot had stayed behind because they weren't in the original pilot footage.)

Thank you Christopher.
I did not see the unaired pilot until the 1990's, albeit I did read about it in the '80s. If anyone wants to see it, here is a poor quality video of the unaired Lost In Space pilot episode called "No Place To Hide":

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[Warped9]

I believe the unaired pilot is included with the Season 1 DVD set of the show.

 

[Redfern]

It is, making it a nice lil' bonus. Oh, to clarify, as in the aired version, the Robinsons fled the wrecked Gemini because it was turning dangerously cold, not hot. They traveled 'south" for warmer climates, not cooler. What was not in the pilot was the business of the highly elliptical orbit that later resulted in the planet turning roasting hot. As was noted in a similar thread in the TOS forum, this happened just that one time in the earliest episodes but was never experienced again.

Comparatively, the Gemini was a somewhat more "believable" craft. It had just the single deck for "stasis" and manual control. the rest of the hull was packed with "hardware" including the drive system. As depicted, that deck could at least fit within the hull. Not only was it NOT a vessel capable of FTL, the pilot stated the ship would take nearly a century to reach Alpha Centauri. That's just 4 percent the speed of light. Still impossible by real life 1990s technology, but far more believable than the notion we'd have a "hyperdrive". (Yeah, I know the Innovation Comics series written by Bill Mumy revealed it was reverse engineered alien technology.)

Sincerely,

Bill

P.S. Oh, I forgot to mention the pilot did not have the more familiar score composed by Johnny Williams (yes, the same man who composed Star Wars, Superman, Jaws, Indian Jones, etc.). Instead, they used the opening music from "The Day the Earth Stood Still", another 20th Century Fox production. Even when Williams became involved, the production still used selections from that iconic film, often Gort's theme.

 

[Christopher]

It is, making it a nice lil' bonus. Oh, to clarify, as in the aired version, the Robinsons fled the wrecked Gemini because it was turning dangerously cold, not hot. They traveled 'south" for warmer climates, not cooler.

Yeah, I got confused there. I remembered the bit about the frozen sea melting, but I forgot that was because they were further south, not because the planet was warming (which came from the aired version).

P.S. Oh, I forgot to mention the pilot did not have the more familiar score composed by Johnny Williams (yes, the same man who composed Star Wars, Superman, Jaws, Indian Jones, etc.). Instead, they used the opening music from "The Day the Earth Stood Still", another 20th Century Fox production. Even when Williams became involved, the production still used selections from that iconic film, often Gort's theme.

They used stock from at least two Bernard Herrmann scores. The Day the Earth Stood Still was the main one, but the "jet pack theme" (a personal favorite) was a track called "The Marker" from Herrmann's score to Beneath the 12-Mile Reef.

John Williams was only one of the composers who contributed original music to season 1. Williams did four scores for the season, for episodes 1, 3, 5, and 7. Herman Stein scored episodes 2, 4, and 6, along with Hans J. Salter and Richard LaSalle on episode 2 and Frank Comstock on episode 6. (Episode 4's score was mostly stock from Herrmann, but Stein contributed at least a couple of cues.) The rest of the season reused music from those first 7 episodes, including the Herrmann material.